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Oh, you weren't using the old remark in a new context? I'll try another approach to your original, then: Originally posted by whippen boy: On another subject, I wouldn't call Anna Russell "bad parody". Many opera lovers have a soft spot in their heart for her brilliant send-ups.
I've learned over the years that ardent Wagner lovers have no sense of humor. :rolleyes: Nobody called Russell "bad parody". I did, however, imply that what I knew about her Ring synopsis made me consider it as bad parody. So you are trying to say, even while hiding behind dimwitted generalizations, that I have to like Russell's synopsis? Otherwise I don't have a sense of humor? As I've said many times, I haven't even heard it. I was only concerned with the misunderstandings that her synopsis has, if I'm not mistaken, caused. This doesn't necessarily mean that I don't have a sense of humor, now does it? Something like that can be a valid concern, don't you think? There is a time and place for humor, but there is also a time and place for getting some facts straight, wouldn't you assume? I'm not expecting an intelligent reply, so surprise me, if you can.
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Originally posted by Antonius Hamus: Originally posted by Bryan Carney: [b] Somedays, I'm satisfied with Anna Russell, though. If you haven't heard her Ring synopsis... I haven't heard it, but, if I'm not mistaken, I know it by reputation (and I'm not interested in bad parody). You do know that Ms. Russell was a part-time clown, and that there is, in fact, nothing illogical in the Ring? [/b]I did hear it, performed by Ms. Russell in the 60s. A delightful antidote to music that takes itself too seriously. She was just as good with Gilbert and Sullivan, music which doesn't take itself that seriously at all.
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Originally posted by argerichfan: Originally posted by Bryan Carney: Originally posted by argerichfan: But even then, a well recorded -and tastefully selected- CD of Ring excerpts can be great fun for a quick fix. Somedays, I'm satisfied with Anna Russell, though. If you haven't heard her Ring synopsis, get too it. (Assuming you meant "get it too".) Well, yes, I know that. Quite funny if I'm in the mood. Yet I've studied the Ring fairly comprehensively, I've seen it at Covent Garden and also own the complete recording and P-V scores. So I feel I'm entitled to get away with the occasional "quick fix". First, I meant to say "get to it," as in "hop to it," or "get cracking." These are all too idiomatic, I agree. Oh dear. I never ment to impugn your status as an upright wagnerian nor a knowledgeable net-entity. I hope that's out of the way. I think I'm snarky by nature. My knowledge of the ring cycle is based on my studies of the european and scandanavian heroic literature. I never studied Wagner, his work and aesthetic, nor his music, formally. I do dream to visit Bayreuth someday. I have seen recordings by Levine and the Met, and two Bayreuth recordings, though never live. In the sense that Wagner built a temple for its, the Ring's, exposition; and the nature of the cycle itself, I said it. Wagner would object to putting his name on a "Bleeding Chunk." Wagner was of the school that this art should be received ritually. I think the opera could be shortened but shouldn't because the experience is raised as it is. By the fourth day, the motives are pulling the necessary heart-strings. This has all been covered here but this is how I understand it. Anna Russell? She's 'ilarious. I think her audience, and I am not sure, were famiar with the ring cycle. This tells me everything's in the spirit of parody. It truly wouldn't move me were I not previously exposed. Misinformationally, Bryan (((())))
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Originally posted by Palindrome: I did hear it, performed by Ms. Russell in the 60s. A delightful antidote to music that takes itself too seriously.
She was just as good with Gilbert and Sullivan, music which doesn't take itself that seriously at all. I find your remarks a bit too metaphor-laden for unambiguous decoding. You wouldn't, for example, mind explaining how music can take itself too seriously, would you? Or does 'music' stand in for 'drama'? (I'm assuming that Russell's synopsis is more concerned with the plot of the drama than with the music.) Can drama take itself too seriously? I suppose that postmodern drama can, but the Ring isn't self-conscious, and so it can't take itself seriously or otherwise. Only self-conscious art needs humor to not become embarassed by itself.
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Golly Gee - It's really tough coming up with *ten best composers*.
Well, here my list of composers whose music I cannot be without:
J.S. Bach Dmitri Bortnianskii Johannes Brahms Anton Bruckner Wolfgang Amadei Mozart Sergei Rachmaninoff Dmitri Shostakovich Georgii Sviridov Pyotr Tchaikovskii Charles Tournemire
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Originally posted by Bryan Carney:
Anna Russell? She's 'ilarious. I think her audience, and I am not sure, were famiar with the ring cycle. No doubt they were. But familiarity doesn't equal understanding. Richter wrote in his notebooks that people who think that Wagner's Ring doesn't make sense simply haven't read it. I'm not as optimistic about people's ability to read 19th century poetry. But whether it's the result of misreading or not-reading, many people nevertheless think that Wagner's Ring is illogical. Even Stravinsky thought so (according to Richter). I'm not so sure that Anna Russell didn't, in which case I suppose we would have to conclude that her synopsis wasn't meant entirely as a parody...
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Originally posted by Ragnhild: Originally posted by TheMadMan86 :
You mean this Tveitt ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geirr_Tveitt
I assume it means you are playing some of his music, a concert maybe ?
(just curious - and patriotic )
Ragnhild [/b]I love alot Geirr Tveitt's music, Yes i am currently working on his first piano concerto. I want to start working on the 29th sonata but i have trouble finding the sheet music. The one i bought of the first piano concerto is difficult to read it looks like its a copy off something more handwritten. I am currently putting it into finale to give myself a good readable copy.
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What happened with Geirr Tveitt 's music was in fact a tragedy. In 1970 his home was on fire and almost all his compositions were lost. Only a few things had been published by then. I think your sheet-music with the handwriting is what was saved from the 1st concerto. I wish you the best of luck on working on Tveitt's music - I really hope I will hear you play it one day Ragnhild
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oh, and BTW, sure Beethoven's number 1!
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Originally posted by Ragnhild: What happened with Geirr Tveitt 's music was in fact a tragedy. In 1970 his home was on fire and almost all his compositions were lost. Only a few things had been published by then. I think your sheet-music with the handwriting is what was saved from the 1st concerto That is a heartbreaking story. Poor Tveitt!!!!
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