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Re: The Greatest Composer Ever! #433890 06/13/07 12:47 PM
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DJ Jazzy Jeff in the same ranking as Gibbons, Sciarrino, Paginini and Gesualdo??? Better than Rameau???

Puhleeeez!

Here is my list just to bring them up:

1. Rameau
2. Gibbons
3. Paganini
4. Gesualdo
5. Sciarrino


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Re: The Greatest Composer Ever! #433891 06/13/07 12:47 PM
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IMHO...I think the ranking is perfect. Bach should always be first, then Mozart...followed extremely closely by Beethoven and then Chopin and then the rest.

I must confess my ignorance. I haven't heard of many of the lesser "rated" composers. But that's my fault, for I haven't ventured out into the world of the unknown being too comfortable with what I do know and love. Not a good thing, I realize. But at 67, I guess I'm not going to change (much).

Thanks for your trouble, py-anno. Interesting.

Kathleen


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I do find it really interesting that Alkan or Scriabin can be rated above the great masters. I suppose taste comes into play there but I do not think they can ever be among the top ten greatest composers... I don't mean to sound rude to those people who have rated them as the greatest or so, I was just plainly surprised.
Don't be surprised.

With no criteria established for "greatness", it mostly is a question of personal taste - personal taste of the moment, at that, which could change by next Thursday.

Regards, [/b]
Well yes, you are right but still... laugh Anyway, the general results turn out quite well IMO smile Still no Tchaikovsky :S

Re: The Greatest Composer Ever! #433893 06/13/07 02:52 PM
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Pardon me, but my Sciarrino was a joke, fine though his music may be.

Bach, Beethoven and Liszt are the great Virtuoso Composers, in my and Busoni's estimation. They form the core of the the repertoire.
I then place Brahms in this same category of greatness, partially for 119 and partially for his incredible concerti.

Mozart is a very great composer whose works in other genres often exceed his piano music, though his K310, K475, K457, K511, and the Adagio in B Minor are magnificent.

Gotta run, but more later.

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So:
Bach-9
Beethoven-9
Liszt-9 (They each get 9 instead of 10 9 and 8.)
Brahms-7
Mozart-6 (Reminiscences de Don Juan, anyone? Couldn't have happened without this guy.)
Schubert-5
Split 4- 2 for Messiaen, 2 for Debussy. Similar veins of "pure sonority."
3- Handel (Messiah? Keyboard Suites? Water Music? Operas? Incredible...)
2-Chopin deserves some credit for being a nice composer, although he isn't what makes me feel of "greatness" in the Brahmsian sense. He's more sentimental than Rough-hewn middle european composers in their styles.
1- Scriabin is rather nice. He gets an honorable mention


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I'm surprised Messiaen has not been mentioned yet.


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Re: The Greatest Composer Ever! #433895 06/13/07 05:22 PM
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So far, the results of this "contest" are mirroring the other contest (from what I remember, I could not find the old one).

Poor Rautavaara frown

As Kathleen (loveschopintoomuch) has pointed out (semi-conciously maybe) this little contest of mine was secondly to try and get more lessly known composers some sort of recognition. There is so much more to music that Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart ( However good they may be). I've always been one to find unknown composers and play pieces by them even if it is for a small gathering becuase I feel that there is so much talent that needs to be seen that is just bypassed all the time.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks like this.

While I am at it, GO LISTEN TO SOME RAUTAVAARA! If you want to of course:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDgWgbYgx-4
It's a wonderful piece.

Dnephi, it is somewhat difficult to detect sarcasm and joking on the internet sometimes. If it makes you feel any better, I only gave him one point seeing as how he was the only one you put up there... smile

-dane

Re: The Greatest Composer Ever! #433896 06/13/07 07:09 PM
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10 Fanny Mendelssohn
9 Xaver Scharwenka
8 Anton Rubinstien
7 Jan Levoslav Bella
6 Franz Liszt
5 Mihaly Mosonyi
4 Ludwig Beethoven
3 Clara Schumann
2 Ignaz Moscheles
1 Moritz Moszkowski

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abnerpeabody: are you numbers on the side to tell me how many points each person gets, or the opposite?

-dane

Re: The Greatest Composer Ever! #433898 06/13/07 08:49 PM
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From my corner ... anybody who drools over any composer is to be avoided like the plague ...

Yes, this is an occasion when I totally agree with btb.

Drooling is unsavory and socially unacceptable.
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Unless you're Pavlov's dog.

"Carol of the Bells", anyone?

:p


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Now that I have read through this thread and have gained a better understanding of its point... I think I'll throw out a few big names that I tend to think deserve praise as great composers.

It's a vague topic to me (as it should be to all of you), but I think some of them include:

Stravinsky
Debussy
Schoenberg
Ravel
Beethoven
etc.

That is in no particular order save maybe for Stravinsky being first. I know much less of his music than I'm comfortable admitting.... but doesn't it say something when you feel a certain uncontrollable vibe that a composer was or is truly talented?


Oh and by the way.... it really makes me happy to see Reich in many's lists.


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abnerpeabody: are you numbers on the side to tell me how many points each person gets, or the opposite?

-dane
Yes, points on the left. I REALLY like Fanny, her music speaks to me. She is the first composer to stop me in my tracks. Hard to explain..... smile http://fannyhensel.de/

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I wonder if those listing, are thinking just of piano composers instead of composers of all music?

As well, those putting in just 5 names have their top composer only getting 5 points instead of 10 (where those listing 10 have their top composer getting 10 points)

And what of those who only post 1 or 2?

Makes it lopsided seeing the final results, doesn't it?


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1)Mozart
2)Beethoven
3)Verdi
4)Wagner
5)Chopin
6)R. Strauss
7)Brahms
8)Shostokovich
9)Puccini
10)Bellini

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Not wanting to miss out on the fun (that's all it is, really) of threads like this, I'm confused by the original post. In py-anno's first paragraph he asks us to list the "greatest" composers, but in the second paragraph he talks about "favourites".

Don't know about anyone else here, but my list of "greatest" composers would only share one name in common with my list of "favourites". That hallowed name is, of course, Beethoven.

My list of the "greatest" composers would include, but not be limited to:

Bach
Mozart
Haydn
Beethoven
Chopin
Wagner
Verdi

Yet the following are my "favourite" composers because, well, they have a very special message for me. They are listed in order of preference.

Beethoven
Elgar
Liszt
Franck
Dvorak
Rachmaninov


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I'm surprised Messiaen has not been mentioned yet.
Verywellmister, let us both mention him!


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Argerichfan: For me, the greatest composers are the ones which speak to me. The ones that I really love, in which the order and even composers may be changed by next week. I see what your saying, no matter who we like, there are always the inevitables that seem to dominate classical music.

You may interpet this post however you like, and give your results accordingly.

-dane

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I've made some changes.

And Verdi is a very great composer. Wagner has some incredible moments, but I'd rather hear the Liszt Transcriptions that the originals in many cases out of sheer length.

And Chopin is a composer of beautiful music, but does that make him a "great" composer or just a very nice one?


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In this case, great lies within they eye of the beholder. This is just kind of an experiment to see where the genereal forummers tastes are.

for the umpteenth time...

-dane

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Wagner has some incredible moments, but I'd rather hear the Liszt Transcriptions than the originals in many cases out of sheer length.
In general I find Liszt's transciptions of Wagner less successful than the Italian or French opera transcriptions. To enjoy Wagner, one doesn't have to listen to an entire opera. (Ideally one does, because Wagner requires a spacious time frame to work his magic.)

The passages Liszt transcribed work suberbly as orchestral excerpts, and I find it interesting that Liszt (usually) avoided messing with "bleeding chunks" from the later, post-Lohengrin operas. But even then, a well recorded -and tastefully selected- CD of Ring excerpts can be great fun for a quick fix.


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