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Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424491
02/03/06 10:44 PM
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Hi, I just received what I thought was the Liszt transcription of Schubert's "Standchen (Serenade)," but it doesn't include the third "verse" with the "echo." It is the Alfred edition, edited by Maurice Hinson. I am sooo disappointed. Before I order another version, just to have to send it back, can someone recommend an edition that includes the entire piece? Thanks!


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424492
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Waterfall,

Does the beginning of your version look anything like this?

http://www.pianoworld.com/Uploads/files/Schubert-Liszt-Standchenclip.jpg

Note 2 parts for the right hand.

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No, the first four measures are basically the same, but mine is different beginning with the fifth measure (only one part for the right hand).


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424494
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What you have is not the Liszt transcription of the song.

The one I have is Schirmer's edition - Franz Schubert twenty-four songs transcribed for the piano by Franz Liszt in two volumes. Vols 128 and 129.

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I was afraid of that. frown I'm having a hard time finding what I want. I can't find it on the Schirmer website, and sheetmusicplus.com has a Dover edition that seems like it might be what I'm looking for, but I can't tell. It's at http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/a/sea...omposer&more=Liszt%20Schwanengesang. (not sure if that link will work)

I looked at the Schirmer catalog online and couldn't find it. Am I just looking in the wrong place?


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424496
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Waterfall :

I am sure you will find this of interest, and it may help in your search.

I have three editions of Liszt transcriptions, all of which contain the Stšndchen.

  • The first comes in Book 1 of a two-volume Schirmer edition: Schubert Songs Transcribed for the Piano by Franz Liszt, Book 1, cat. no, Vol 128
  • The second is in a Peters Edition : Liszt: Klavierwerke Band IX: Lieder-Bearbeitungen , cat. no. 3602a
  • The third is in the Editio Musica Budapest, Liszt: Klavierwerke Transkriptionen VI , cat. no. Z.B 13 358. (This one will set you back more than $45.00!)



Here is the most interesting part, however. In all these editions throughout the transcription of this song, there is an ossia piý facile (an easier alternate) which, just as in your copy, does not include the last verse - the verse with the echo effect. The other verses also differ; they are "easier."

In essence, then, what you have is the Liszt transcription; it just happens to be the transcription of only the easier alternate.

I have said this on so many occasions on this forum that regular readers will probably :rolleyes: , but that won't stop me from saying it again : I think that the transcriptions that Liszt did, particularly of some of the Schubert songs, consitute some of Liszt's best writing for the piano. They are also among the best transcriptions I have come across of almost any music not originally for piano.

Waterfall, do make an effort to find the transcription of the Stšndchen in its "full" edition; it is an exquisite arrangement.

Indeed, if someone will tell me that it's not illegal, I will be glad to make a photocopy of the Schirmer edition and mail it to you.

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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424497
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I have the version you are talking about at home and it took me forever to find it. I'm pretty sure my local music store has a copy. The owner had ordered a back-ordered copy that I think she still has. You might give her a call. Here's the website Nadine\'s Music Manor
If you need me to check which edition I have please let me know and I'll check when I get home this afternoon.
Jon


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424498
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A-ha! Mystery solved! That explains why it was so much easier than I expected it to be. So now I just need to find the Schirmer or Peters edition.

Thanks much!

Jon--I am going to stop by my local music store today to see if they can order it for me. (Now that I have the publishers and numbers, it should be easier than the guesswork of before.) If it's a problem, I'll definitely give your music store a call. Thank you.


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424499
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Originally posted by Waterfall:
A-ha! Mystery solved! That explains why it was so much easier than I expected it to be. So now I just need to find the Schirmer or Peters edition.
... or the Editio Musica Budapest, laugh which is the most current, and, which I believe, will be a complete edition of all the works of Liszt when it is completed.

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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424500
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I am only a poor schoolteacher, so I'm thinking about cost. But I will look into it!

Or if you're serious about making me a copy if it legal (would that it were!), I will gladly take you up on the offer. Thanks!


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424501
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Waterfall :

As one (retired) school teacher to another, I would be very happy to make and mail to you a photocopy of the Schubert/Liszt Standchen.

Do any other readers know if I can do so legally? The Schirmer edition may be long out of print, so does that make my offer less of a copyright infringement than if it were still commercially available?

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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424502
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Originally posted by Waterfall:
I was afraid of that. frown I'm having a hard time finding what I want. I can't find it on the Schirmer website, and sheetmusicplus.com has a Dover edition that seems like it might be what I'm looking for, but I can't tell. It's at http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/a/sea...omposer&more=Liszt%20Schwanengesang. (not sure if that link will work)

I looked at the Schirmer catalog online and couldn't find it. Am I just looking in the wrong place?
That's the right one from Dover. Schwanengesang is the set of 14 songs that includes the Standchen you are looking for.

There is another Standchen (Shakespeare) but that's is in another set.

Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424503
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Yes, I agree with LisztAddict; the Standchen is in among the transcriptions of the songs from Schwanengesang

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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424504
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I have the Dover 3-volume edition. Yes, the "Standchen" discussed here is in the 3rd volume. Each volume is relatively inexpensive, $14 apiece. The only drawback I've found is that the printing is direct from the original edition and takes a little getting used to.


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424505
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I have the 1st volume of this 3-volume set. Yes, it's a bit hard to read. Not only that, they put so few measures into each page, so you have to turn pages constantly while at the studying stage. I had to make reduced size copies of them, cut and paste, so I could squeeze about 2 Dover pages into each 8.5x11 sheet.

Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424506
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Hi all, just wanted to say THANKS for all of your replies to my request about the Liszt transcription. My piano teacher has ordered a copy of the "non-easy" version, and I should have it by next week. I can't wait to start learning it!


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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424507
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Waterfall :

Your enquiry has prompted me to get out the score and play through it again. I may even really learn it, this time, it's such a lovely transcription; it's not spectacular, it's not "over-the-top" Liszt; it's just a very faithful - to the mood and idea of the original - and a very pianistic transcription of the Schubert lied.

I am so glad you're going to get it, and I am almost certain you will really enjoy playing it.

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Re: Liszt Transcription of "Standchen" #424508
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I think I'll submit this Standchen for PW Feb 15 recital. Still have a few days to get this back up to speed. smile

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Here it is. It certainly is not "over-the-top" type of music. Not even close.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/1803/2.html


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