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Pentatonic scales #415356
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Do you know any pretty sounding pieces(of any genre and of any composer) that heavily make use of the pentatonic scale and sound something like Chopin's Etude Op. 10 No. 5?

Let's just say a pentatonic scale etude, I guess?

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Re: Pentatonic scales #415357
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Debussy is known for using the pentatonic scale.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjBrR7mc44Q

I'm not sure you'll find anything with the quality of the Chopin etude, but you'll find a lot of "prettyness" in Debussy's music.


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Not exactly of the same character as Chopin's Op. 10 #5, but other pieces that make use of pentatonic sets include:

Debussy:

La fille aux cheveux de lin (from Preludes book I)
Bruyères (from Preludes book II)

Ginastera:

#5 En el 1er. modo pentafono menor and #12 En el 1er. modo pentafono mayor from 12 Preludios americanos Op. 12.


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This is the kind of stuff I've been looking for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIa1_ptr-2E

I wish one day I could play like that.

This sounds a lot like Debussy's music but it is in higher technical quality, like Chopins etude op.10 no. 5.

Where can I get the sheet music for this?

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Originally posted by hotWings:
This sounds a lot like Debussy's music but it is in higher technical quality, like Chopins etude op.10 no. 5.

I know that judgment of "quality" is somewhat subjective, but I'm not sure what you mean by "higher technical quality" in your quote. Are you suggesting that the compositions of Debussy are somehow second-rate compositions? I think that there are many who would disagree with that assessment, personal though it may be. Most musicologists and amateurs alike consider Debussy's music of a very high quality.

On what are you basing this judgment?

Regards,


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Originally posted by hotWings:
[b]This sounds a lot like Debussy's music but it is in higher technical quality, like Chopins etude op.10 no. 5.

I know that judgment of "quality" is somewhat subjective, but I'm not sure what you mean by "higher technical quality" in your quote. Are you suggesting that the compositions of Debussy are somehow second-rate compositions? I think that there are many who would disagree with that assessment, personal though it may be. Most musicologists and amateurs alike consider Debussy's music of a very high quality.

On what are you basing this judgment?

Regards, [/b]
Embracable You is a terrific song and Gershwin/Wild are great composers/transcribers but I don't think they can compare to Debussy. Also, comparing an essentially jazz/popular work with Debussy is somewhat like comparing apples and oranges.

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No, it may not be comparable, but I go by the amount of notes in the piece and the whole message the piece brings out to the listener.

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The amount of notes now determines its "quality"? Well, then I guess Alkan is now the greatest composer who ever existed.


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The amount of notes now determines its "quality"? Well, then I guess Alkan is now the greatest composer who ever existed.
By that token, 4'33" is the worst composition ever.


EDIT:

Wait a second, in what sense are we using the word "quality"?

When I read the original post, I thought "quality" was synonymous with "characteristic" or "property".


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Bartók's "melody in the mist" in book 4 from mikrokosmos.


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.. it seems to me that the inherent nature [of the piano tone] becomes really expressive only by means of the present tendency to use the piano as a percussion instrument - Béla Bartók, early 1927.

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