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Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413897
06/21/07 12:15 PM
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I realize that Midi files are a dime a dozen. They're all over the net. However, very few of them actually sound good when played back over my piano and most have lots of corny instrumental crap in the background.

Where can I find Midi files that are ONLY piano tones both to listen to as well as learn from???

I'd love to hear some music from other users in the forums as well. Is there a place where people post their own Midi's???

FYI I have a Yamaha Clavinova 303 digital.

Thanks.


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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413898
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Go to

http://www.piano-e-competition.com/

and under the Competition History Tab, select MIDI files from any of the previous competitions.

Guaranteed you'll get the best MIDI files in the world there!

Question is - do you have the kind of MIDI set-up that will reproduce all of the nuances captured in these MIDI files? You have a Yamaha which is a good start, and a Clavinova, also good, the question is whether or not your particular model will reproduce the higher end MIDI specs like release velocity.

You can learn more here:

http://www.piano-e-competition.com/ecompetition/midiinstructions.asp

EDIT: After reading it myself, I am sure you should download the Enhanced SMFs, the 2nd choice. I just hope your keyboard supports incremental Sustain pedal data, Release Velocity, and hopefully incremental Soft Pedal data too. The recordings sound much better when this data can be realized.

Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413899
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PS - The files sound great on my Yamaha P-250.

Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413900
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You might try the suggestions on this thread: http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/37/925.html

Or did all those suck, including the Piano World member recordings forum referred to, and the ABF recitals? Because if they did, maybe it *is* your piano wink

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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413901
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Finally - as I am noticing, if you find files you really like that for whatever reason have a stuck note in them (probably a glitch in the file rendering process on their end), I can teach you how to repair them fairly easily.

First let me know if you want to learn, and then I'll tell you where to get what you'll need, namely a MIDI file disassembler, and Line Editor.

The file assembler will catch the stuck note when you render it, and then you just have to find the line it tells you has the Note on with no Note off, and plant the Note off message yourself wherever appropriate IYO.

lol - I just realized you could technically even correct whatever wrong notes you hear in the recordings using this process as well! I just heard one or two in the Appassionata Movement I'm listening to right now (along with two instances of stuck notes... grrr) - I may well fix all three places!

You can really hear some of the technically difficult places with much greater clarity than on a typical CD or mp3 recording, so you're right... you can learn an awful lot from these MIDI files - especially if you are learning the same rep they are playing... but it's all going to be the tough stuff.. this is international competition level!

Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413902
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http://www.kunstderfuge.com/

Wonderful and large collection, though there many sequenced piano MIDIs, there are also many live MIDI recordings. I guess 10 downloads per day limit, but if you're smart, you may clear those cookies, right? wink

They also host piano-rolls translations to MIDI. Pretty cool. smile


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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413903
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BTW, not always MIDI playback on top digitals yield the desired results. For instance, my main piano timbre isn't used in MIDI playbacks in my DGX620, rather a corny, small piano timbre is used. So, beware...


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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413904
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The real question is how the MIDI file was made. When it is the capturing of a real live performance, as with the e-competition, the quality can be very satisfying.

Normally available MIDI files are usually the result of entering the notes of a piece into a notation program or sequencer, and are thus extremely robotic and unmusical.

Now a really good question is - does anyone know of anywhere else that real performances by talented performers have been captured in MIDI format *besides* e-competition? I am doing some research in a piano pedagogy lab and these kinds of files are very useful in many ways, but alas, I know of only the e-competition collection.

Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413905
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Get a copy of Midichat and I'll play your keyboard for you!

kcoul058, I had no idea there is now an enhanced midi format. Do you know of any equipment or software, apart from Disklavier, that uses this spec?


snobbyish, yet maybe helpful.
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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413906
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You could always have a look at my site at http://uk.geocities.com/rm.hammond@btinternet.com

Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413907
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My P-250 has a balanced connection for the sustain pedal which means it can access sustain pedal messages as either the usual up/down (0/127) but also the gradations in between, which is nice because it picks up half pedaling, flutter pedaling, etc. It also reacts to Key release velocity I think.

I think most higher end keyboard models have the enhanced MIDI spec, but only the Disklaviers have the even more enhanced XP spec - in this case, attack velocity gets a much greater range than 0-127, an LSB is added to the MSB in the same way as Pitch Bend (not usually used in piano playing, lol!) for a much more refined capture of a performance. I think there are other things in the XP format too, but this is what was mentioned on the site.

It makes me really want to listen to an XP MIDI file on the Disklavier at school at some point, just to hear the detail!

Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413908
06/24/07 08:52 AM
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Great replies, the technical info was interesting.

The sucky midi's that I was refering to are the ones, often of pop tunes, that sound like they were created by a crappy software package. No rythem, no variation, nothing interesting, but their full of strange sounds that annoy the ears.

The sites you gave me were great. Gives me some things to listen to and work on. I'd love to see any more that you may have.

BTW, if you use firefox, there's an addon called "downThemAll" that makes it so that you can download 100 separate midi files on the same page (or any other type of file for that matter) in about 3 clicks.

I downloaded about 1500 Midi's in about 30 minutes. Thanks.


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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413909
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http://www.classicalarchives.com/

Classical archives has a lot a great piano performance in midi format.

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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413910
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thanks for the tip about the plug-in. And unfortunately, it was the only place I know of to get real performance MIDI files.

Classicalarchives has MIDIs but again, they don't seem to be of actual performances - they are the mechanical kind. Great for Bach.... but Romantic... 20th century...

Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413911
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Re: Where can I find piano only Midi's that don't suck??? #413912
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PianoNoob - I'm glad you've found some stuff you like. So - are we going to get to hear you at the next ABF recital in August? wink

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