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#407191 - 12/06/02 04:37 PM any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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Are there any modern-day, or any 20th century composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?
I know that this would not be regarded as "cutting edge" but why don't composers ever attempt to revive the old forms since many of us(myself included) can't seem to stomach the modern stuff? Maybe because it would not be a path to fame?
Wouldn't it be great to hear a new piece that follows all of the Baroque, Classical, or Romantic "rules"...or am I the only one who feels this way? Any comments?


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#407192 - 12/06/02 04:47 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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Edgard Varèse said: "Contrary to general belief an artist is never ahead of his time, but most people are far behind theirs."

That sums it all up. In my opinion, the fact that most people today can't appreciate contemporary music is not the composers' fault.

If concert organizers would just be a little more courageous, the people would probably get to know contemporary music better and learn to appreciate it.


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#407193 - 12/06/02 04:59 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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John:

There are probably thousands of them. The Terra Verde school springs to mind - a group of composers fusing classical ragtime and Latin American, and extending the forms in various ways. There is hardly a modern chord to be heard but it is beautiful piano music. Try searching on the names David Thomas Roberts, Frank French, Scott Kirby. CDs and scores are available but sometimes not easily. Email me if you get stuck.

I have written a lot in conventionally romantic style, using much tonal melody; much more than I have done in experimental styles in fact. So if somebody like me has chosen to do it the chances are that many other, more capable musicians do so too.


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#407194 - 12/06/02 05:55 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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I've come to the conclusion that in order to make a living as strictly a classical composer without experimenting and being "cutting edge", one must be associated with either film and/or media or the New Age Tesh/Yanni school.*

*You may substitute the word "crap" here if you wish.

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#407195 - 12/06/02 06:06 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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Well I have experimented with some 2 part inventions. They dont sound as good as Bachs though. wink smile

#407196 - 12/06/02 06:58 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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mredaud writes:

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If concert organizers would just be a little more courageous, the people would probably get to know contemporary music better and learn to appreciate it.
I think what's more likely is the organizers would end up filing for bankruptcy.


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#407197 - 12/06/02 08:52 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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only for academic use as far as I know .. check Martha Meir, Catherine Rollin, Pamela Wedgewood. What musical era are we currently in ,"Early 21th Century" ? Who are the composers and what are the characteristics of classical music in this era ? Or did classical music died after 20th century ?

#407198 - 12/06/02 09:31 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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It might be interesting for one's own personal enjoyment to compose music of old, but unless one has something new to communicate, whats the point? I do not care if a modern piece is cutting edge or not, as long as the music itself is sincere and communicates a valid point. Modern music, for whatever era it may appear in, has tradionally been hard on the listeners due to lack of knowledge on their part. I staunchly support works like Boulez's sonatas, because I feel they do communicate something, very musical as a matter of fact. (To contradict established opinions!) A composer of modern day composing in the style of Haydn might yield some value as a novety or peculiarity, but pushing the edge while angering a lot of people is what music is all about! (Just ask Beethoven, or Debussy.. We seem to like them well years later, just like it will happen with music most people can't comprehend now)

#407199 - 12/06/02 09:45 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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Modern music, for whatever era it may appear in, has tradionally been hard on the listeners due to lack of knowledge on their part.
Crashtest, I'm not so sure of this. Mozart's music was wildly popular when he was alive, Beethoven's music was also appreciated to a considerable degree, ditto Debussy. Not that they didn't push buttons, but their music was well liked by many.

On the other hand, there is some contemporary music, which to my ears sounds like orchestral warm-up, that I think is appreciated by a small handful of people.

Isn't there a difference in the degree that past classical composers were accepted versus contemporary atonal composers?


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#407200 - 12/06/02 10:02 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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They were not as accepted as one would like to think. Debussy, while at the conservatoire, was told his music did not "make sense" by teachers there. Chopin himself thought a lot of Beethoven was unattractive. Beethoven's Op. 106 was not understood early on, more recognition of it only came about at the time of Liszt or so. I would speculate that these composers shared the same amount of success in that time that a modern composer does so now, albeit on a smaller scale. Mozart's music was indeed liked, but there have been instances when he was told to compose a "Simpler" sonata in order for more sheet music to be sold. (In the movie Amadeus, the emperor says that Mozart's music contains "Too many notes".) Beethoven and many other composers often had to rely on the aristocracy in order to support themselves, but it by no means indicates that they were fully appreciated by the general populus.

#407201 - 12/07/02 02:59 AM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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CrashTest,

As a member of the general populus, I like music that gives me a sense of fulfilment.
Music is a food for the ear/soul as cooking should be food for the body/soul.

Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms, Schubert... speak to me in a very deep and loving way. I do not feel that when I hear serial (dodecaphonic) music. I found it though in Luciano Berio sung by Cathy Berberian.

In painting we have had two approaches in this century : Picasso and Matisse.
Matisse preocuppation is to bring happiness and pleasure ; Picasso is a constant adventurer and explorer of limits.

Both are now widely recognized by the general populus.

Music is a strange art : the general populus seems not to be attracted by moder music after the
middle of 20th Century.

I think the idea of composing baroque or medieval or romantic music a good one.

All ideas with a feeling are good ideas.

And Mozart was immensely popular which does not mean that he won every time.


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#407202 - 12/07/02 12:59 PM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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Just because some modern music might be composed in a more serial, realistic style does not mean it is void of feeling. I think a good comprimise between modern music and some sort of traditions are in Ligeti's etudes, and even Prokofiev sonatas and the like. Ligeti's etudes, which surely contain a great deal of feeing, is written in a modern idiom of sorts and one far cast from Mozart, but it contains beautiful moments that are more akin to a lyrical Debussyan type of sound, unlike Boulez. so I am sure his popularity will grown even more in the future. It is subjective, but feeling can be found anywhere.I think that feeling is abundant in Webern's variations for piano, or Boulez's 2nd sonata, its a different type of feeling, but a valid one. The sometimes static, atmospheric sounds contrast with the more violent dissonant rhythms, creating an enjoyable experience for me. (Even though it does not really contain a stock melody or certain harmonic structure or climax.) Music is all about how much you like it, so any attempts to justify this or not is ultimately pointless! wink

#407203 - 12/08/02 04:11 AM Re: any modern-day composers who compose Romantic, Classical, or Baroque style music?  
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CrashTest,

I see your point. Maybe there are as many people who appreciate Ligeti or Boulez or Stockhausen or Varese... than there are who love Rothko,Barnett Newman, Jackson Pollock or Finnegan's wake.

Maybe it is a question of time . But music (and opera) may have played a part in popular entertainment in the time of Mozart and Verdi and Wagner and Puccini that finally was replaced by cinema and television.

Maybe there is as wide a public now for modern composers as there was for the Well Tempered Clavier in the time of Bach or Beethoven's quartet.

This is a fascinating subject, this divorce between contemporary music and the audience of operas and baroque/classic/romantic music, don't you think ?


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