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Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385851
11/08/04 12:38 PM
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I'm going to start learning my first concerto now. I haven't even thought about it because being a serious amatuer, I would hardly ever get a chance to perform with an orchestra, no matter my level of playing. But I'm going to learn one and play it with two pianos, my teacher on the other. I figure this might be good enough for me to get an idea of what it's like, especially since I've never accompanied anyone.

So just wondering...how close to the real thing is doing a concerto with 2 pianos, no orchestra? And do you have any recordings of a concerto done this way? I'm curious as to how it sounds.

My teacher suggested:
Grieg
Mozart
Beethoven
Mendelssohn

"We could save Brahms for later." frown

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Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385852
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It won't be 100% like the real thing, but it works fine and is fun. The downside is that is has to be super-clean because you can hear everything with 2 pianos.

If you do Mozart or Beethoven and have some $$$ laying around, you could hire a string quartet + some wind players to play with you.

Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385853
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I've seen CD's called "Music Minus One" (I think) that has a recording of the orchestral part only. You fill in as soloist. I knows it's not quite the same another live performer but it's cheap.


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Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385854
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If you want the real thing, there are concertos for 2 pianos solo by Stravinsky and by W. F. Bach. There are 6 by Soler which are for organs, but only use manuals, so they can be played on pianos.


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Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385855
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If you want the real thing, there are concertos for 2 pianos solo by Stravinsky and by W. F. Bach. There are 6 by Soler which are for organs, but only use manuals, so they can be played on pianos.
Hmm...will now you got me thinking of possibly doing just some pieces for 2 pianos, such as something from the Rachmaninoff suite. Only advantage of doing a concerto is in the small chance that I would get to perform with an orchestra I would have at least 1 concerto under my belt.

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Actually, if you hope to get a chance to play with an orchestra, the odds are better if you have performance experience, particularly ensemble experience. You are more likely to get that on two pianos, although that's difficult enough to arrange. (The show I was at yesterday was two pianos and organ, and it was a monster to set up!)

The more experience you get, the easier it will be to move to an orchestra, anyway. There are concertos that are chamber works, or can be performed as such, such as the Chausson Concerto for piano, violin and string quartet, Janacek's Concertino, and Mozart's K 413, 414, 415, and 449. If you want to perform them, get some people together and just do them.

You can add Liszt's Concerto Pathetique to the list for 2 pianos solo.


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Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385857
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Originally posted by jeffylube:
I'm going to start learning my first concerto now. I haven't even thought about it because being a serious amatuer, I would hardly ever get a chance to perform with an orchestra, no matter my level of playing. But I'm going to learn one and play it with two pianos, my teacher on the other. I figure this might be good enough for me to get an idea of what it's like, especially since I've never accompanied anyone.

So just wondering...how close to the real thing is doing a concerto with 2 pianos, no orchestra? And do you have any recordings of a concerto done this way? I'm curious as to how it sounds.

My teacher suggested:
Grieg
Mozart
Beethoven
Mendelssohn

"We could save Brahms for later." frown
We could save Brahms for later!! ha ha

Horowitz and Rach practised the 3rd on pianos at the Steinway studios in NYC, with Rach doing the orchestral part. Drew huge crowds, according to the story I read. (Perhaps you and your teacher could do that!! smile )

As to recordings, look out for the Labeque sisters. They've recorded the Gershwin F and Rhapsody in 2-piano form. It sounds fun, but I still prefer the piano/orchestra.. ( OT - check out Oscar Levant, (superb), and Roberto Szidon, Philippe Entremont)..

Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385858
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I recently just bought:

Grieg concerto, Peters
Brahms D minor, Peters,
Franck, Symphonic Variations
Prokofiev 1, International

Well actually I have quite a few other concertos, but I didn't have these and were interested in possibly learning one.

I really like the Franck Variations, and it was a good deal too. For around $14 I think it actually came with 2 copies, so no need to buy another one. I played through about 10 pages so far and it's very beautiful in person, and so far not too difficult at all. Anyone played through any of it before?

Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385859
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OMG I can't believe I forgot Prokofiev 1.
I'll just be banging my head on my desk now...

Re: Performing Concerto with 2 Pianos (no orchestra) #385860
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Very approachable for two pianos are the Arensky Suites


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