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#381969 - 11/17/07 07:10 PM Badass minor pieces  
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Hi!

I am looking for some angry, frustrated piano pieces in the vein of Rach's cis-minor prelude and Chopin's "revolutionary" etude. I've finished those two and I need something new that I and my piano teacher could work on. I've considered Toccata in D-minor by Prokofiev, but could I make it? Here is a good interpretation of the mentioned piece:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUU_0QMoe2k

Any suggestions welcomed!

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#381970 - 11/17/07 07:48 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Chopin's No. 11 op. 25 and no. 12 op. 25 would be good candidates. The thirds etude is good too, although quite difficult.

Rachmaninoff's prelude in B minor, op. 32.

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Liszt's Wilde Jagd. It's presto agitato, so it's got some fury.

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#381972 - 11/17/07 08:19 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Chopin 28/18 - F-minor prelude - it's about as fast, angry, tangled, and agitated as anything.


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#381973 - 11/17/07 08:31 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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The Rachmaninoff C minor prelude
op. 23 no. 7


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#381974 - 11/17/07 08:36 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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You want a really "badass" piece? Check out Rachmaninoff's First Piano Sonata in D minor. Not as well known as the Second Sonata, but a much better and much more intense piece in my opinion.


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#381975 - 11/17/07 09:40 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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You want a really "badass" piece? Check out Rachmaninoff's First Piano Sonata in D minor. Not as well known as the Second Sonata, but a much better and much more intense piece in my opinion.
I'm playing that right now, and I agree that it fits this topic quite well.


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#381976 - 11/17/07 09:54 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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bad assed, not angry and frustrating but funky?

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#381977 - 11/17/07 09:58 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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How about Rach's Etude op.39 #6 ?
Here's Valentina Lisitsa's version
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tVuP1BjbhAg

#381978 - 11/17/07 10:07 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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I know people don't think of Mozart and bad-*** in the same sentence, but the first movement of the sonata in C minor K. 457 is rather angry and can be played with wild abandon. Check out Schiff's version for evidence. I just finished a hack at recording it. It leaves you a bit breathless at the end.

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Originally posted by Anders39:
I am looking for some angry, frustrated piano pieces in the vein of Rach's [C#] minor prelude...
Funny, no one has yet mentioned one of Rachmaninov's angriest compositions: the C# minor Etude-Tableaux from the Op. 33.

An angry caricature of a certain bloody Prelude? :t:

He certainly had an axe to grind... "I coulda made money on that!"... at least he was a player with apologies to Paul Newman.


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#381980 - 11/17/07 10:27 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Chopin f# minor prelude.


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#381981 - 11/17/07 10:35 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Argerichfan, i love that piece. and it certainly is WOW angry.

How about Chopin's Funeral March. That is certainly not a happy piece and it sounds really great.

Even sadder is Liszt's Funérailles. I never heard of this today til I listened to it on pianosociety.com


well I'm 20 years old, and I'm teaching myself piano.
#381982 - 11/17/07 11:50 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Even sadder is Liszt's Funérailles. I never heard of this today till I listened to it on pianosociety.com
Sad? Of course. Angry? Most definitely, what with Liszt's big build-up fortressed with the octave salvos in the middle section. This piece is the ultimate catharsis.

My personal axe to grind: some commentators have dismissed this piece as merely commemorating Chopin's Ab Polonaise.

Remove the famous left hand octaves, and the two compositions could hardly be more different. Talk about lazy, idiotic listening...

But of course it's really more about Liszt's presumed inferiority to Chopin isn't it?


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#381983 - 11/18/07 12:22 AM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Can you please not swear? I find that highly offensive.


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#381984 - 11/18/07 01:52 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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maybe he was talking about a bad(wild donkey) minor piece. I suppose it's possible.


well I'm 20 years old, and I'm teaching myself piano.
#381985 - 11/18/07 05:39 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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I have to admit, I've never heard a bad wild donkey piece. sounds cool though.


my contribution: Brahms 2nd hungarian dance. Even though it has some changes of mood, i think it'd fit your description.


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#381986 - 11/18/07 05:49 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Can you please not swear? I find that highly offensive.
Hmm, me too, now that you mention it.


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#381987 - 11/18/07 09:58 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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I too find it highly offensive when people swear.

I second Mozart's Sonata in c minor K457, studied that piece for 10 months with my teacher, it does involve emotions (anger,frustration etc.) and has to be played with depth and a high level of maturity.


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#381988 - 11/19/07 01:18 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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If you can find a partner you can play Saint Saens'"Animaux Veloces". They may not be badasses, but they are asses.


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#381989 - 11/19/07 02:16 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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If you can find a partner you can play Saint Saens'"Animaux Veloces". They may not be badasses, but they are asses.
Swift asses!

Theoretically, one wouldn't actually need a partner. The two pianos are playing a single line in unison an octave apart. Wouldn't it be a neat trick to try it on one piano a la the finale of the Chopin Bb minor?


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#381990 - 11/19/07 02:33 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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Does it make me a bad person, that I listened to Funerailles just because I needed to hear some really sad and angry all at once?

Today, I'm going to try to compose the saddest angriest piece ever tonight. A friend of mine is engaged to someone only 3 weeks ago she was super upset that he was controlling her life and trying to get rid of her friends. I know sometimes you have to learn from your mistakes; but marriage isn't something to play around with. Thats jsut stupidity. So tonight will be spent compose sad and angry music. Too bad I only have a 76 key keyboard.

I need to learn Chopin's Funeral March as well, so it can be like a "Fare Thee Well", for my friend.


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Does it make me a bad person, that I listened to Funerailles just because I needed to hear some really sad and angry all at once?

Today, I'm going to try to compose the saddest angriest piece ever tonight. A friend of mine is engaged to someone only 3 weeks ago she was super upset that he was controlling her life and trying to get rid of her friends. I know sometimes you have to learn from your mistakes; but marriage isn't something to play around with. Thats jsut stupidity. So tonight will be spent compose sad and angry music. Too bad I only have a 76 key keyboard.

I need to learn Chopin's Funeral March as well, so it can be like a "Fare Thee Well", for my friend.
Maybe you should get some more sleep.


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#381992 - 11/19/07 04:18 PM Re: Badass minor pieces  
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thanks, I probably should


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Does it make me a bad person, that I listened to Funerailles just because I needed to hear some really sad and angry all at once?
No, it tells me you are human and have emotions. That's good.

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Maybe you should get some more sleep.
Sometimes it's appropriate to keep your pragmatic, rationalist opinions to yourself.

I was recently introduced to Alkan's Scherzo Diabolico... if you have the technique that is probably one of the finest examples of rage and power on the keyboard.

Scherzo Diabolico

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Does it make me a bad person, that I listened to Funerailles just because I needed to hear some really sad and angry all at once?
No, it tells me you are human and have emotions. That's good.

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Maybe you should get some more sleep.
Sometimes it's appropriate to keep your pragmatic, rationalist opinions to yourself.

The fact that dnephi's advice was heeded says it all.

OP: Check out Scriabin's Sonata No. 1 in F minor, one of the angstiest pieces ever.


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The fact that dnephi's advice was heeded says it all.
Not really. Vanity can correct me if I'm wrong, but perhaps his acquiesce is only habitual since he may doubt the validity of his own emotions.

My statement still stands.

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Does it make me a bad person, that I listened to Funerailles just because I needed to hear some really sad and angry all at once?
No, it tells me you are human and have emotions. That's good.

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Maybe you should get some more sleep.
Sometimes it's appropriate to keep your pragmatic, rationalist opinions to yourself.

I was recently introduced to Alkan's Scherzo Diabolico... if you have the technique that is probably one of the finest examples of rage and power on the keyboard.

Scherzo Diabolico
Ahh yes, one of my favourite pieces.


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I'm playing that right now, and I agree that it fits this topic quite well.
That's quite a time commitment.

I agree that it's a better piece than the first sonata, but oh man does it look like a heck of a lot of work!

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