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Prokofiev 3rd piano concerto - technique #380128
03/26/08 02:02 AM
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Hello!
I was taking a look at my recently bought Prokofiev piano concerto 3, the 3rd movement, and at the very end there is this "thing", I can't say it's name as I never saw before, but there's a lot. Looks like some kind of glissando, but it's written as C major scales with doubles. For each pair of notes, there is a finger marked, for example 5 for C, 4 for D+E, 3 for F, 2 for G+A, 1 for B+C, then right hand continues with 1 for D+E, then F+G, A+B, C+D, and 5 for E. He goes up and down, VERY FAST.
I don't know if it's suggesting that I should play two notes with each finger, but that would be kinda difficult, strange to play, and hard to do like a glissando.

The funny thing is that if you see youtube videos of this passage, each pianist do in a radical different way.

For example, Olli Mustonen plays that like glissando.

Pompa Baldi, Sgouros, Langlang, Kissin, they play like if they were doing a regular C major scale, but very fast (maybe they're doing the double notes per one finger)

Alexandre Toradze does it so fast I can't see what he's doing!

Sergey KUZNETSOV uses a sopra to reach the last notes.

So, how is that meant to be done?!

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Re: Prokofiev 3rd piano concerto - technique #380129
03/26/08 02:16 AM
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I've never played this piece myself, but I think the composer wanted it to be played with two notes per finger.

Re: Prokofiev 3rd piano concerto - technique #380130
03/26/08 10:47 AM
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It's meant to be done as you say - two notes per finger. It works out so that there are no hand position changes, so it can be played very quickly.

That being said, it's difficult for most to reach it comfortably and play it with enough power, so some opt for a glissando and others use a variety of other fingerings.


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Re: Prokofiev 3rd piano concerto - technique #380131
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Some pianists even resort to using their knuckles on this passage!


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