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I generally agree with what most people have said about the bad performances and the overplayed pieces, but with Fur Elise, if it is played successfully and IN FULL, it can be a charming little piece. I can't stand people playing the first two measures and calling it Fur Elise. It is much more than that. It would be nice to add other pieces as standards for younger students, there are some great ones out there!
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I really cannot think of any piece I hate.
I despise anything that sounds modern, or has no real melody. And I dont like Jazz much!!!!
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Originally posted by wmudavidb: I generally agree with what most people have said about the bad performances and the overplayed pieces, but with Fur Elise, if it is played successfully and IN FULL, it can be a charming little piece. I can't stand people playing the first two measures and calling it Fur Elise. It is much more than that. It would be nice to add other pieces as standards for younger students, there are some great ones out there! I agree... Fur Elise can be charming if it's played as intended, a classical composition for a child. Unfortunately, most of us (confess, we all did it at some point or another) play it like it's the most intensely emotional, romantic piece of all time, heavy damper pedal, rubato to the max, etc. Of course as kids we could all be excused for our excesses, but someone should tell all the grown-ups that it's not spozed to be played that way! (Of course, for most grown-ups this is the only piece they remember from their earlier piano lesson days.) Of course, I'm including myself in this description as well... ! Nina
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Originally posted by trance:
2 - Sonata C Major K 545 Mozart. Too many scales and far too repetitive. Also too overplayed. That reminds me of a scene from "Amadeus" where after a premier performance of a new piece, the Emperor reviewed it by saying "it was nice, but too many notes"---to which Mozart responded: "Emperor, just which notes would you like me to remove"---he was being sarcastic, of course--Mozart's music was perfect as it was--Mozart knew it, & so has the music world known it for over 200 years.
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Originally posted by aznxk3vi17: I despise all of the "popular" pieces of composers, because people won't give other pieces a chance, or simply don't know them. Well, I suppose there's a reason that these are "popular." Additionally, I have to respectfully disagree with Marquis de Posa and side with trance here. I also have no beef with the Chopin Nocturne in E minor.
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Originally posted by wmudavidb: [QB] Quote from mkesfahani: Oh yeah, Scriabin's Etude for left hand. While a like his etudes overall, I wish he threw the right hand in there. It would have made it sound a lot better. Do you mean the prelude and nocturne, op. 9? QB] Sorry, but yeah, the nocturne. That's what I meant. Mike
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The Happy Farmer. The only thing worse is Heart and Soul. In fact, when I was 9 years old I REFUSED to learn Heart and Soul. My piano teacher let me substitute Alley Cat instead. Bent Fabric was a nice change of pace from Anna Magdelena Notebook selections.
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SCHUMANN!!
Schumann Fantasie takes the grand prize...
Sorry, I just cannot stand that work.
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For me, the Schumann Fantaisie is among the top ten or twenty pieces composed for piano. It is one of the very few pieces that seems to get more beautiful each time I hear it. I have heard it in live concert at least ten times! I think it is the greatest of the piano works by one of the truly great composers.
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Sometimes one thinks one despises a piece or a composer even just because one is too tired of them or on the other hand has not discovered what there is to like about a piece or composer.
I got tied of playing 18th century stuff for almost two years. It’s not that I hated it really, but I just got so tired of it. So I went Romantic, Impressionistic and even dabbled in some modern repertoire by composers few ever try or ever heard of like Griffes, Szymanowski, Ruggles. Some of it I liked, some of it……well I just didn’t commit much of it to memory.
As for the overplayed popular classical pieces. If and when I play them I try and imbue them with something most other pianists leave out. For example, try playing the first movement of the Moonlight as though it were an impressionist piece, both impossibly slow and impossibly quiet. Use the pedal liberally and keep yourself sort of floating and detached while playing, as in a reverie. Yeah it might put your audience to sleep, which might not be a bad thing. But then again it might make a few of them listen the harder. Whatever you do, do the unexpected within the expected familiarity of the piece.
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I do the opposite with the "moonlight" - I play it at a pretty good clip. It seems like most recordings of it are so slow that they lose direction and the various occurances of the motiffs become detatched from each other, rather than combining to build larger phrases.
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That's the beauty of art, I guess. Richter played the Schubert D960 soooo slow but at the same time soooo mesmerizing, almost hypnotic to me while still holding the piece together. I seriously doubt anybody, I mean anybody else can pull that off that way. Whatever one tries to do he/she needs to KNOW what he is doing and HOW that can be achieved and held together...
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Maybe that's my problem when trying to play Beethoven and Schubert slow... Ryan P.S. Lest I give the wrong impression (when do I ever do that?), I don't turn the "moonlight" 1st movement into a march, I just keep it moving.
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Originally posted by JS: Sick and tired of Grieg concerto.
Sick and tired of people playing Gershwin preludes badly. Why don't you like Grieg's Piano Concerto? I think this piece is very lively, and it sounds beautiful. Just curious!
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I just don't like the first movement, not sure why, it just seems kinda silly to me. The other two are okay. Also, I just like all the other romantic concerti so much more: Schumann, Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Rachmaninoff I think they're all a cut above Grieg. 3 or 4 cuts even.
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Simply stated, there is no accounting for personal taste.
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my list of pieces is pretty long, too long to set down in print. In some cases i've just gotten weary of them --call it "classical burn-out"; year after year listening to students clawing their way through the same works at every spring recital, cell phones chirping out the "Ode to Joy" theme; cartoons and commericials that have trivialized a long list of masterpieces, it all just takes a heavy toll.
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hello all, i havent been on here in quite some time, but im back i would agree the the majority who are tired of hearing fur elise, jesu joy of mans desireing, and the lot, the mozart c major sonata.... but bach is great all of it!!! of course everyone is entitled to their opinion though, i dont really like bartok of prokofiev at all except for romeo and juliett... and i could really do without hyden, he really seems to be a lightweight among giants. Schumann i like more everytime i listen to it, though i to really dont like his fantasy very much though i am aware that schoalrly consensus claimes it one of the tower a chievements in romantic music, to me it just doenst have that typically schumannesq flavor to it (perhaps not exactly the most in depth criticism, but that the only way to describe my thoughts on it i think) for my money kriesleriana is the greatest schumann piece followed by the humoresque and kindersczenen(sp?) but schumann was a real riddle for me for a long time and a composer that took a lot of listening to to really appreciate... The boulez # 2 sonata is an amazing peice in my opinion and with frequent listen really grows on you and begins to make sense on an architectural level...the only person ive ever heard of in recent times performing it live is Pollini, and if thats ho performed it life at the concert that someone in an earlier post wrote, oh man, id give my left arm to have seen that!! my main complaint, with music is not the composition i dont think, but the performers, there are very few that i would drop everything to see, i love pollini, i like Volodos a lot, but his schubert is really not his music, ....hmm more on this later, i think ill start a post with this topic and see what everyone thinks... ciao
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Originally posted by JS: Sick and tired of Grieg concerto.
Sick and tired of people playing Gershwin preludes badly. What types of "bad" Gershwin are you talking about? I enjoy the preludes but now am wondering. . . am I one of those "people?" My personal dislikes include just about any Bach Invention. I always felt like a robot might play them as well as a skilled pianist:)
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One of my favorite pianists gave the worst performance of a Gershwin Prelude I've ever heard. Arthur Rubinstein's performance of Gershwin's Second Prelude proved that, greath musician that he was, the man simply had no concept of American music.
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