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Re: How much do concert pianists make?
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Yes. Of course there are always the cheaper seat segment. You can even get it at 20 bucks. But seriously that does not make up the core of the ticket pricing. And most improtantly, seriously speaking, who would wants a 20 bucks seating when you're watching such a great concert. And pls remember that we're from different parts of the world. Currency exchange people! From where I come from...Minimum pricing for a topnotch pianist can go as low as 21 bucks, but the better average seats would be 80-100 bucks, and 140-200 for premium seats which just happens to make up around 30-40% of the booth.

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I saw Kissin in Ann Arbor and got a great seat for $35.


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Re: How much do concert pianists make?
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Yes. Of course there are always the cheaper seat segment. You can even get it at 20 bucks. But seriously that does not make up the core of the ticket pricing. And most improtantly, seriously speaking, who would wants a 20 bucks seating when you're watching such a great concert. And pls remember that we're from different parts of the world. Currency exchange people! From where I come from...Minimum pricing for a topnotch pianist can go as low as 21 bucks, but the better average seats would be 80-100 bucks, and 140-200 for premium seats which just happens to make up around 30-40% of the booth.
Just to clarify that we are talking US Dollars here:

Murray Perahia is giving a recital at the Philadelphia Kimmel Center in April. Would you agree that this is a major pianist ina major venue?

Ticket prices: $68.00, 59.00, 51.00, 43.00, 38.00, 33.00, 28.00

His Carnegie Hall recital this year : Range $89.00 to $25.00

The same prices apply to Brendel's Philadelphia recital this season: $68.00 to $28.00

Similarly, Brendel at Carnegie Hall: $89.00 to $25.00

Andsnes' Wigmore Hall (London) recital prices this season are: £26, £22, £16, and £12. At the current rate of exchange : $47.50 to $22.00.

So, I'm really not sure where the quote of $140.00 to $200.00 for premium seats applies.

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Re: How much do concert pianists make?
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I saw Kissin in Ann Arbor and got a great seat for $35.
I saw him in Verbier last year and will see him in March in Geneva - he's great on the concert platform.

Anyway, I read somewhere that he limits the number of performances per year to 40 or 42. This would mean that at US$30,000 a concert, that's around US$1.2 million. Pretty neat for a boy that still lives with him Mum ... smile

Of course, you could deduct a little since he plays Verbier for next to nothing (as all the musicians do). But then there's the royalties on his DVD and CD's ...

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Yes. Of course there are always the cheaper seat segment. You can even get it at 20 bucks. But seriously that does not make up the core of the ticket pricing. And most improtantly, seriously speaking, who would wants a 20 bucks seating when you're watching such a great concert. And pls remember that we're from different parts of the world. Currency exchange people! From where I come from...Minimum pricing for a topnotch pianist can go as low as 21 bucks, but the better average seats would be 80-100 bucks, and 140-200 for premium seats which just happens to make up around 30-40% of the booth.
But your post said the *least* expensive seat was 200 which is not true. In fact, this figure is higher than than the most expensive seat at Carnegie Hall for a solo recital.

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I saw Kissin in Ann Arbor and got a great seat for $35.
I saw Marc-Andre Hamelin for $7, best seat ever, and on March 13, I'll see Angela Hewitt for the same price. Wonderful, isn't it?

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On average, how much do concert pianists make? Any information on this would be great. Thanks in advance.

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I saw Olga Kern, co-winner of the Cliburn, for $28 US at Furman University. I sat on the front row about 6 feet from the piano keyboard. The night before, the Peace Center had her for mid $40's to mid $70's per ticket.

The recital program was the same for both venues. Obviously her take-home was different for the two, but after everything is deducted, that's not a bad sum.


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Originally posted by BamBam:
Obviously her take-home was different for the two, but after everything is deducted, that's not a bad sum.
Do you have it on good authority that her take-home was - or wasn't - different for the two? How do you know how much was "deducted," and deducted from what?

Just curious ...


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Also keep in mind that Furman may have put up some of the money to keep ticket prices down. Kern could easily have received the exact same fee for both concerts.


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I find it hard to believe that Lang Lang's recording contract was valued at $10,000,000. This has nothing to do with his relative merits as a pianist—that issue has been debated elsewhere—but with the fact that the classical recording industry is on the ropes. Neither Deutsche Grammophon nor Telarc has the resources to expend that kind of money.

Horowitz was the exception. When he played in Boston in 1986, he received about $90,000. In that case, there were no TV or recording tie-ins. In Moscow, for example, he did not charge a fee (it was part of a government sponsored cultural exchange) but received about 250,000 for TV performance rights and record fees. His highest fee was when he performed in Japan in 1983, where he received about $1,000,000 including TV rights (the Yen was very strong at the time).

At the time of his death, Horowitz estate was valued at 6-8 million dollars. His townhouse, purchased in the early 1940s for $30,000 was valued at about 100 times the purchase price.

Rubinstein, surprisingly, was not particularly wealthy when he died. Even though he played many times more concerts than Horowitz, he fees were not as large (about 7,500 for recitals in his last seasons) and he spent money like a fish.

In the early 1990s, Perahia got about 30,000 for performances in major American cities.

All of these, of course, are for solo performances. Pianists get less for appearances with orchestra.


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...Rubinstein, surprisingly, was not particularly wealthy when he died. Even though he played many times more concerts than Horowitz, he [sic] fees were not as large (about 7,500 for recitals in his last seasons) and he spent money like a fish...
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Quoted from Pianoloverus:'But your post said the *least* expensive seat was 200 which is not true. In fact, this figure is higher than than the most expensive seat at Carnegie Hall for a solo recital. '
Well, I never state that the least expensive is 200 bucks, but I did say that the range of 80-200 bucks makes up the core of the ticket stalls. The 21 bucks stall takes up only about 10-20% of the seating stall.
Ok, if I were to convert to US currency it would still be somewhere around 20-120 bucks. Now, That does makes sense, eh?
Looking at my programme list...Yo Yo Ma is coming to perform in May, and his tickets call from 40 to 150 bucks. Which is probably around 28-90 over bucks in US dollars. Those seats make up the core of the stall.
And that was only Yo Yo Ma. The last time there was a Russian pianist who was here to do a tour concert programme for Mussorgsky's 'Pictures At An Exhibition', and it went up to 201 bucks, which I figured would be 140 US dollars. shocked So, what you think? $140 in US Dollars?

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Pricing for these great masters normally will not be anything less than 200, so with bigger halls, they just make more. laugh
Here's where you said exactly what I said you did.

In addition, I and another poster already told you what the top prices at Carnegie Hall(probably one of the most expensive venues in the US) are for the top pianists in the world and they were *far* less than what you said.

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You're all insane.

Look...ticket prices vary WIDELY based on a number of different factors. First, artists don't really have "set" fees. Somebody might play a recital for $2000 one day and $15,000 the next. Just the other day, a friend of mine said that Marc-Andre Hamelin played a recital at a small venue for not very much money because he didn't have any other engagements that month.

Second, ticket prices have very little to do with an artist's fees. They have much more to do with how much a particular venue needs and thinks they can get. If it's a big benefit concert, then yes, $200 a ticket is the price of getting in the door (and often includes dinner and some kind of pre-concert lecture.) If it's a concert series at a school, then very often the University will help defray the costs, so the ticket prices for the same program might be more like $15.

There are also these things called sponsors. If a company or individual wants a certain artist to come to town, they might approach a venue and say "I'll pony up the artist's fees if you give him a place to play and promote the concert." Then the hall will set ticket prices based on either 1) the usual going rate, 2) the cost of the hall, 3) the marketing cost, all 3, etc...

This is all a long way of saying that I myself sat in a concert at Aspen where the minimum ticket price was $100 to hear Emmanuel Ax. (It was a benefit concert - I got in for free as a student.) Then, a week later, we heard him play and the minimum ticket price was $15.

We need to stop pretending there's actually an answer to the question of ticket prices and artists' fees. While it may be difficult in our day and age to accept, sometimes there just isn't a single answer.


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You're all insane.

A little bit irrational at times, perhaps, but I've never thought of myself as insane, thank you very much!

Could it be that all of us who are insane just don't know it?

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Pricing for these great masters normally will not be anything less than 200, so with bigger halls, they just make more.
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Here's where you said exactly what I said you did.

In addition, I and another poster already told you what the top prices at Carnegie Hall(probably one of the most expensive venues in the US) are for the top pianists in the world and they were *far* less than what you said.
Okay, I was wrong. Totally forgot about currency exchange. But that is what is happening in our country. We hardly get visits by top notch performers, and when they do come, tickets pricing will go as high as 201-240 bucks. But they do come with pre-concert talks and autograph sessions. So, that'll be 140-180 US Dollars. shocked

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I recall hearing/reading that Horowitz once was paid $40,000 USD (in the 80's) to play the Chopin c#minor waltz on some soap opera and he didn't decide to do it til like literally the last minute.

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If you're talking about concert/recital alone, you would make $2/300 per concert for a rank-and-file concert pianist to a minimum of $60000 per concert for someone of Watts/Kissin calibre. I could never figure out why Watts can be such a big sale.

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Kyle, if you're looking to become a concert
pianist, the first thing to have is a good
stage name, if your given name is not showy
enough; for example, Van Cliburn is not his
real name, and I doubt if Lang Lang is his
real name. You could be a fine pianist, but
if your real name doesn't sound like a
concert pianist's name, it will hamper you
greatly.

The name "Kyle," although a fine all-American
name, is not a good concert pianist's
name. Change it to something like: Emmanuel,
or Valery, or Mirsky, etc. And also consider
changing your last name, or even using just
one name like: Solomon, or Liberace.

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