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#368972 - 12/13/07 08:11 PM Rach 3 and flats=/= sharps  
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These two questions have been bothering me today.

First, Lets say you play a piece in G flat Major. If the composer just happened to put a sharp on a g without naturals before in that measure, does the key become a g or a g sharp?

Second, for anyone who has seen or played the rach 3, what are the main time signatures in the final movement?


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#368973 - 12/13/07 08:32 PM Re: Rach 3 and flats=/= sharps  
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Originally posted by hyonchingonchon:
First, Lets say you play a piece in G flat Major. If the composer just happened to put a sharp on a g without naturals before in that measure, does the key become a g or a g sharp?

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Can you give an example where a composer, writing in G flat major would write a G#? Unless the composer has modulated to another tonality, there is no G# in G flat major; the composer would write an A flat, but he certainly wouldn't write a G#, I don't think.

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#368974 - 12/13/07 08:45 PM Re: Rach 3 and flats=/= sharps  
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im just saying if that happened?


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#368975 - 12/13/07 09:00 PM Re: Rach 3 and flats=/= sharps  
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Originally posted by hyonchingonchon:
First, Lets say you play a piece in G flat Major. If the composer just happened to put a sharp on a g without naturals before in that measure, does the key become a g or a g sharp?

Second, for anyone who has seen or played the rach 3, what are the main time signatures in the final movement?
I've seen some old editions (19th century) where sharps are used to cancel out flats: so G flat in the key signature, sharp sign before the note sometimes means to play G natural. But it's unusual--I think the old editions weren't consistent with this sort of thing. For any printed music you can buy nowadays, a G with a sharp sign really is a G sharp always.

Rach 3: what an odd question! Why do you want to know the time signatures if you don't have a copy of the score? Anyway, the beginning and the end is mostly in 2/2, and the middle section mostly in 4/4, but there are some short passages in 3/2 and 6/4.

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