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Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359690
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Lately I have been getting into enjoying the Goldberg Varations. I find this compostion of Bachs to be quite incredible.However, I am kinda curious though as to why they are called the Goldberg Variations though.

I have been mainly going to UTube listening to different recordings. One I have listened to is of Glenn Goulds recording:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7LWANJFHEs

I am not sure if Glenn Goulds recordings of the Goldberg Variations are among the best, I am not sure if I like his style but I do believe him to be a fine pianist.

I dont expect to be able to play it anytime soon. I just want a good CD to listen to.


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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359691
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GG's recordings are definitely considered among the best.

Besides his I would recommend:

Koroliov
Rosen
Weissenberg
Lifschitz
Perahia

To this pair of ears all these are very fine readings on all fronts.

Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359692
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A little-known but wonderful pianist - Sean Duggan. (And a great person...one of the best masterclass experiences I ever had was playing for him.)

http://www.fredonia.edu/som/facultybios/Duggan.asp

I have no idea if his recording is still available, but if you can find it, get it.


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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359693
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I love Perahia's. Also check out Simone Dinnerstein's new CD - it's controversial in it's slow tempos and romantic feel, but I love it - it's very special. Nobody plays with such detail to shaping long lines as she does - you get the sense that she listens to each and every note and the relationship between each one and the one preceding and following. It is truly unique and there is much to learn from her playing.

Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359694
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Originally posted by vivo:
However, I am kinda curious though as to why they are called the Goldberg Variations though.

According to one source : "Bach described the Goldberg Variations, his seemingly innocent tune followed by thirty variations, merely as a keyboard "practice-piece," composed for his talented protégé Johann Gottlieb Goldberg to play on the harpsichord."

Another source says that they are so-called because Goldberg was perhaps the first performer of the work.

The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians observes :
"[Goldberg] is widely reported to have become a pupil of J. S. Bach after the Russian ambassador to the court of Saxony, Hermann Karl von Keyserlingk (Count from 1741), recognized the boy's talent in Danzig, perhaps in 1737. Goldberg was also claimed as a pupil by W. F. Bach, who was in Dresden throughout Keyserlingk's first period of office in that city (1734-45). No other report confirms this tutelage, and the extent of Goldberg's study with either Bach and the order in which he studied with them remain subjects for speculation.
Forkel's famous story of the commissioning of J. S. Bach's Goldberg Variations (published c1741 as Clavier-Übung, ivby Keyserlingk to be played by Goldberg contains several errors of fact and must be doubted. (It has frequently been questioned because of Goldberg's extreme youth: the lack of a dedication in the print is evidence against the commission, though even without a commission Bach could have given Keyserlingk a copy of the print and received a gift in return, perhaps in 1741, when he is known to have visited the Keyserlingk home in Dresden.) It is clear, however, from early accounts that the technical difficulty of the variations would have been well matched by Goldberg's amazing performing skills."

P.S. - that should read "whom do you like?" (objective case), not "who..."

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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359695
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Apart from the obvious answer of Gould, I would say Perahia.

Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359696
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For what it's worth, I enjoy Simone Dinnerstein's Goldberg Variations. Can't say I've listened to too many others, other than the Glenn Gould.

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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359697
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They are called Goldberg Variations, because they aren't called Gold Mountain Variations, even though in my opinion they should.

Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359698
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Thanks guys. You all gave me great advice. With your great advice and I spent quite a bit of time on the UTube and on AMazon listening to some clips of this incredible music.

I still like Glenn Gould's interpretation of the Goldberg Variations. His style is unique. I understand he is a controversial pianist, although I not sure why.

Thanks Bruce for your info as to how the Goldberg
Variations got its name.

Yeah...I agree Antonius, they should be called Gold Mountain Variations, for they are so incredible and so beautiful. Everytime I listen to these variations they sound better and better. What an amazing piece of work.


I listened to some of his Perahia's music and I didnt care for his style or detail . He's a bit too intense for my liking.

However i think I am going to check out SImone Dinnerstein's new CD. After listening to some clips of her music , I was quite impressed with her touch. I like her romantic detail in every note and I am looking forward to listening to some more of her music. I decided to order this:

http://www.amazon.com/Bach-Goldberg...mp;s=music&qid=1200524519&sr=1-1


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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359699
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I saw live in Philadelphia Rosalyn Tureck play the Goldberg. It was in the late 1970's and it was one of those experiences you don't quite appreciate until years later. Now I count myself as one of the very, very lucky . It was a special event. At the time I did not understand the music, but I was very aware I had just experienced something very special. Some years later Glenn Gould showed me just how special with his 1981 recording. Now that's the only one I can listen to. I miss Glenn Gould.

Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359700
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For a long time it was Gould's. All that changed when Perahia's was released. IMHO and at the risk of a lynching here on these forums, Perahia's readings of these gems surpasses that of Gould's.


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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359701
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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359702
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Originally posted by Bassio:
Apart from the obvious answer of Gould, I would say Perahia.
That about sums it up for me too. In fact I just listened to Perahia the other day...

There's been a lot of discussion about Simone Dinnerstein; I have not heard her recording -the Gramophone review was not very reassuring- but I'm game for it.

Weissenberg and Rosen are also fine accounts. Other recordings mentioned here (Tureck excepted) I also have not heard.


Jason
Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359703
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A little-known but wonderful pianist - Sean Duggan.
I second this recommendation. I heard him live playing the Goldbergs and then the Diabelli in the same recital. What an experience!

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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359704
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ok guys, here is another pianist I like.

Rosalyn Tureck

check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PSUL_aRGZU


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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359705
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I am going to be ordering Angela Hewitt's CD of the GVs. I absolutely adore her. Here's a review from the American Record Guide:

American Record Guide (7-8/00, p.78) - "...[Hewitt's] clarity of...articulation and her command of the tonal resources of her instrument are amazing. Her range of colors is practically orchestral....This [recording] joins the finest available versions of this...masterpiece..."

Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359706
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Maria Yudina is my favorite, among the nine I own.

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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359707
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they r called the goldberg variations after johann gotleieb goldberg who was the keyboardist for count keyserlingk, a royal in saxony.

legend has it that he wanted music to play to help him sleep and had his musician play him these variations composed by bach. although the story appears in jsb biographer forkel, its probably needs a grain of salt.

anyway, although gg 1981 is the gold standard, i also like schiff's fairly recent rendition.


and now i will sink back to obscurity.


"I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen
Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359708
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Apart from the obvious answer of Gould, I would say Perahia.
I agree


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Re: Goldberg Variations/who do you like ? #359709
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Apart from the obvious answer of Gould, I would say Perahia.
I agree
Hey Zack, you haven't been seen here in ages.

All okay I hope. (I could never forget a user name like yours.)

Be sure to check out the thread on Alkan's transcription for solo piano of Mozart's K466. How 'bout this for a cool recital program:

Alkan: Concerto for Solo Piano
(interval)
Alkan-Mozart K466.

Interesting possibilities, no?


Jason
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