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I think I'll leave this one open...!!!
He got smaller as the world got big, the whiz man never fit him like the whiz kid did...
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There is no "proof" for God. If you believe in God, you tend to see his design in everything, if you don't, then you don't.
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How do you see that music is proof of God?
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This almost belongs in the Coffee Room.
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I agree justme.
Take it to the CR.
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Has anyone read - nay, subjected themselves to - Real Presences by George Steiner? It tackles this question, sort of (in relation to the arts in general, rather than specifically music). There did seem to be the odd interesting idea in it - though I couldn't really summarise anything off the top of my head now - but good grief was it hard work making sense of it!
I don't know if I'd recommend it, per se, but it would probably interest anyone who thinks there's a debate to be had about God and the arts.
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"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
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Originally posted by justme: This almost belongs in the Coffee Room. Oh god, justme, dont send it there! Oh god no, please no! *sob*
I was born the year Glenn Gould stop playing concerts. Coincidence?
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you guys analyze things too deeply. he is trying to say that music is so good that only God can come up with such a thing.....i guess
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Originally posted by Siddhartha: Oh god, justme, dont send it there! Oh god no, please no! *sob* What's wrong, Sid? You scared or somethin'?
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Originally posted by justme: Originally posted by Siddhartha: [b] Oh god, justme, dont send it there! Oh god no, please no! *sob* What's wrong, Sid? You scared or somethin'?
[/b]LOL!!!! From the mouths of babes....
I was born the year Glenn Gould stop playing concerts. Coincidence?
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Originally posted by Siddhartha: LOL!!!! From the mouths of babes.... There IS a GOD!!!!
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Originally posted by concertpianist12988: you guys analyze things too deeply. he is trying to say that music is so good that only God can come up with such a thing.....i guess Can you say the same thing with Prokofievs stuff?
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if you appreciated music, then yes. when i see professional musicians perform, they tend to astound me beyond words. it's like they have superhuman abilities to not only compose, but to play it like there's not tomorrow. they seem to put all of their heart and soul in it. but then i remind myself that God gave them the ability [or gift] to be able to be that talented, b/c they didn't aquire it by themselves. i get envious, but then i remind myself that i can be that good.
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Short answer yes with an if, long answer no with a but. if you appreciated music, then yes. Maybe if you appreciate music but that isn't "proof" enough for many people. Does "music" include music worshiping satan, 'pagan' gods, and promoting 'sin'? If so, then the answer to the question is a definite yes.
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as much as i love music, and i'll listen to pretty much anything, but not EVERYTHING. i have my limits to the kinds of music i'll listen to. there's a lot of things out there i don't consider music. and there's a lot of people out there who pervert the gifts that God gave them by using them to glorify and exault themselves instead of God, who gave them the talent to start with. with that said, i think there's a lot of crap out there that isn't music. a lot of those people don't even play an instrument.
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Phew, that's a tough question. Why don't we ask G-d??? Music isn't the proof. G-d is. (But I couldn't use that argument with any atheists... ) I just can't believe that music is the product of chance and probability. It is too great for that. It has to come from some greater being, but I guess you can't "prove" that in the scientific sense. You can't prove a lot in the scientific sense, but that doesn't mean that those things don't exist.
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pianojerome, you Jewish or something? I know a Jewish girl who would write G-d in her school papers. Hehe...
I was looking at an in depth analysis of Bach's fugues, and I have come to conclusion that God is the only being that can come up with such music.
However, I am Christian, so of course that's what I think.
This is a ridiculous question, most Christians will see it and most Atheists/other religions will view it a different way.
Sometimes I think that God is the one who turns music from signals of vibrations passing from our ear to our brain into what we think of as music. I tend to think like a Materialist on many matters, but this phenomena amazes me.
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Originally posted by valarking: pianojerome, you Jewish or something? I know a Jewish girl who would write G-d in her school papers. Hehe...
Valarking, I am Jewish and I am something. You are correct on both accounts. The hyphen is sort of a tradition. Take an example. Suppose I were to write G-d's name on a piece of paper, in full, and then the paper were to get torn, or lost, or the name were to be erased. It would be like destroying G-d's name, which is too holy to undergo such rude disgrace. So, we put a hyphen in place of the 'o' so that if something does happen, it's not so bad. Now, I don't think I would be smitten by a thunderbolt (G-d forbid) if I didn't hyphenate - it's not a law, or anything - but it's a tradition, and, as Tevye the Dairyman puts it, "Without our traditions, our lives would be as shaky... as a fiddler on the roof!"
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You want to know something interesting? The writers of the Bible considered the name of God to be so sacred that they would have to bathe themselves and clean all their writing equipment before they would write it. This doesn't mean every occurence of the word "God", but rather his personal name: YHWH, with any vowels in between (this was printed "L<font size=1>ORD</font>" in most Bible versions). So every time you read the word "L<font size=1>ORD</font>" in your Bible, the writer had to clean up before he could write it.
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