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It's very hard to get it up to speed whilst observing all the dynamics and articulation markings. The faster you go, the harder it gets to execute them cleanly.
Some things I had particular trouble with:
* Playing bars 9-13 in tempo - I tended to ease up on the speed a touch here. It wasn't obvious when I was playing, but hearing a recording of myself made it extremely so. The right hand part really puts the brakes on, when you hit that it's like driving off road into a muddy field.
* The octave trills (or turns, in practice) are far from easy if you can only manage a 9th. Still not happy with these!
* The A major runs in b.36-39 with the syncopated chords really threw me when I was learning the notes. It's those offbeat left hand quavers that did it - hands separately was fine, but putting them together was tricky. They just kept falling in the wrong place, especially at speed.
* A couple of bars in the development section - the [f#, F#, G#-D#, F#] alberti pattern that appears in the right hand for just one bar is super-tough for a small stretch. Very uncomfortable, I have to change the fingering to make it even playable at half speed, never mind full. And the staccato chord sequence a few bars on is tough to articulate cleanly and evenly at speed.
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I play best when I'm kind of asleep. If I suddenly wake up, I'll mess up
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In my contemplation on starting this movement I posted asking advice of anyone who had played it. I was one of the posters who blasted derulux for his apparent inflated claim. For which, I now appologize. This movement definately is not as hard as it sounds, but I don't like using the word easy to describe any Beethoven. Jpw has brought the turbulent sections to your attention.
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Thankyou everyone, specially jpw - i guess i'll just have to start working hard on those bits. x
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Originally posted by bach enthusiast: In my contemplation on starting this movement I posted asking advice of anyone who had played it. I was one of the posters who blasted derulux for his apparent inflated claim. For which, I now appologize. This movement definately is not as hard as it sounds, but I don't like using the word easy to describe any Beethoven. Jpw has brought the turbulent sections to your attention. Did you really? I had completely forgot that! Hmm...back to opposite sides of the line we go! :p There's nothing to apologize for. I thought it was extremely difficult before I started playing it, too. I guess, after playing it, I forgot that. I think the biggest "catch" points are the octave trills, this specific measure around 150-something where the left hand plays b-B-c#-B and the right hand plays c#f-C#-G#-C# (at least, I think that's the right hand) for a measure, and maintaining the intensity in the right hand that the left hand had when the melody goes to the left hand. Other than that, if you have the technique, it should come fairly quickly as the chord structure is pretty basic.
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I think that the moonlight sonata is overated. It is an amazing sonata but it's nowhere near as hard as it sounds. Try some of Chopin's Scherzos and Ballades.
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Originally posted by GeorgeACMS: I think that the moonlight sonata is overated. It is an amazing sonata but it's nowhere near as hard as it sounds. Try some of Chopin's Scherzos and Ballades. I agree with you. The thing that made the Moonlight famous it the first movement. Most common folk don't even know there are other parts to the piece. To me, it's just another great early piano sonata by Beethoven. Tonally he's advancing, but still this one, like the others are typical of the period, and is very much like those from Haydn and Clementi. I too live within the realm of Chopin. I play mostly his Nocturnes, Polonaise and Ballades, and recently his Preludes. Each one is a sweet morsel, or a complete meal in its self. John
Current works in progress:
Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 2 in F, Haydn Sonata Hoboken XVI:41, Bach French Suite No. 5 in G BWV 816
Current instruments: Schimmel-Vogel 177T grand, Roland LX-17 digital, and John Lyon unfretted Saxon clavichord.
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If you need help with any specific part princess, let us know, many of us have already done this movement since it is so popular!
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Thankyou for your support everyone. Gosh, everyone is so friendly! You are all such wonderful people!!! GeorgeACMS - i'm in the middle of learning Chopin's first ballade. Finding it inconceivably hard but i'm loving every minute of it. kcoul058 - Thankyou! I'm sure you'll be hearing from me soon enough. :p x
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I'm amazed at so many downgradings of this really difficult piece, yes, anyone could play any c-sharp-minor-arpeggio, but who could play it pianissimo, fortissimo, and otherwise? The jumps shouldn't take any time, the whole movement has no moment of repose, yeah, the obvious one, but the balance between l/r hand is so important, the sheer sweep of the music should be so uninstrumental, by the way, the 2nd movement is far more difficult than general opinion dictates, this is a monumentally underrated masterpiece, not to be handled by anyone with a liking for the 1st movement's 4 1st bars or so.
Longtemps, je me suis couché de bonne heure, but not anymore!
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