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a dream of love #354137
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i know theres been loads of threads on this topic but how is the pedal meant to be used in lieberstraume?


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Re: a dream of love #354138
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It's best to just use your ear. Change pedal when the harmony changes. Less is more.


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thats what i do.
so its used throughout the piece?


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Yes it's used throughout the piece...tastefully. You probably don't want to use it on the second cadenza, at least not after the first few notes.


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but throughout the first, even in the trilly bit?


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Learn it without pedal, and then add pedal where if you feel you need it.


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i am no one to judge where i need it though, as i am not a concert pianist, what i think is right maybe wrong, so i wanted personal experiences or any definite answers.


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Most editions of the score that I've seen have pedal marks. If yours doesn't you can check out this free score (scroll to page 12 for Liebestraume #3):
Liebestraume
Consider those markings as guidelines only since the amount of pedalling needed will depend on your piano, the tempo, room acoustics, etc. Ultimately, use your ear and imagine someone singing the melody. Do not drown out the melody and the harmonic outline in a wash of pedal.


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ok . thanks for the help!
one more question . . . . so the rest signs, complete quietness doesnt happen?


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If there are rests in both hands simultaneously, then yes, silence. See the example below, measure 78...no pedal, just silence after that last chord.
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now i think of it, what are good editions and bad editions. ive always ordered my sheet music and am oblivious to any different editors.
looking now i see SCHIRMER and HENLE mostly, my chopin studies book, which i consider a poor edition, is white and green with modern patterns on it and a foreword by simon anderson.
my lieberstraume is a piece on its own,edited by E.pauer.


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