Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!


SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Virtual Sheet Music
Download Sheet Music Instantly
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Sheet Music...
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Modern Piano Moving
Modern Piano Moving
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
Who's Online Now
122 registered members (anotherscott, accordeur, ando, alphonsus, 7uturu, alexcawley, 32 invisible), 1,641 guests, and 8 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#353243 - 12/17/04 01:11 PM omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Mikester Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Mikester  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Minneesooota
Transcendental Etude #4, Mazeppa. I bow down.

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#353244 - 12/17/04 03:34 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 111
rach3 Offline
Full Member
rach3  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 111
keep practicing. ive never studied it, but i gaurantee you that its nowhere near as hard as it looks/sounds. and make sure you use 24/24 on (i think) all of the triple stave parts.

#353245 - 12/17/04 03:38 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Mikester Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Mikester  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Minneesooota
I would love to hear from someone who has performed this piece in public.

#353246 - 12/17/04 03:42 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,572
ChopinLives81 Offline
1000 Post Club Member
ChopinLives81  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,572
New York City
lol, i myself have tried it...proper fingering is key, and practicing slowly is really the only way to get those thirds up to speed. I recommend Arrau's recording of it, Its a must have.


"A Sorceror of tonality; the piano is my cauldron and the music is my spell, let those who cannot hear my calling die and burn in He11."

Check my videos @:
http://www.youtube.com/user/chopinlives81
(ad ) MusicNotes.com
sheet music search
#353247 - 12/17/04 03:52 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,981
Thracozaag Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Thracozaag  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,981
Salt Lake City
Did you do Liszt's fingerings or did you cheat, heh.

koji (STSD)


"I'm a concert pianist--that's a pretentious way of saying I'm unemployed at the moment."--Oscar Levant

http://www.youtube.com/kojiattwood
https://www.giftedmusicschool.org/
#353248 - 12/17/04 03:52 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Max W  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
RHUL
Yeah, Arrau does a fantastic job with the Liszt Etudes (and Magaloff more so on the Pagets)

I've tried it and it was quite fun but I wouldnt go past first page.

#353249 - 12/17/04 03:52 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,981
Thracozaag Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Thracozaag  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,981
Salt Lake City
And Cziffra pretty much owns this piece.

koji (STSD)


"I'm a concert pianist--that's a pretentious way of saying I'm unemployed at the moment."--Oscar Levant

http://www.youtube.com/kojiattwood
https://www.giftedmusicschool.org/
#353250 - 12/17/04 04:05 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Mikester Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Mikester  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Minneesooota
It sounds from their recordings like Cziffra doesn't use any pedal and everyone else uses a lot of pedal.

#353251 - 12/17/04 04:07 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Anima Offline
Full Member
Anima  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Belgium
That's because Cziffra was so damn nuts.. lol. It has its own charm, though I think it would only work for Cziffra.

#353252 - 12/17/04 06:10 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,572
ChopinLives81 Offline
1000 Post Club Member
ChopinLives81  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,572
New York City
when i first attempted it (btw i haven't gone past the 2nd page) i played the thirds with my left hand only. Its quite possible to achieve the proper speed with just the left hand, but accuracy is tougher though attainable. Then after a long break i re-learned it using the hand crossing that liszt indicates.


"A Sorceror of tonality; the piano is my cauldron and the music is my spell, let those who cannot hear my calling die and burn in He11."

Check my videos @:
http://www.youtube.com/user/chopinlives81
#353253 - 12/17/04 09:54 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 39
thepianist Offline
Full Member
thepianist  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 39
I tend to cheat... I'm probably going to relearn it

#353254 - 12/17/04 11:06 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,331
valarking Offline
2000 Post Club Member
valarking  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,331
TX
Quote
Originally posted by Mikester:
It sounds from their recordings like Cziffra doesn't use any pedal and everyone else uses a lot of pedal.
He's probably the only one who can pull it off.

#353255 - 12/18/04 02:19 AM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Max W  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
RHUL
Quote
Originally posted by Anima:
That's because Cziffra was so damn nuts.. lol. It has its own charm, though I think it would only work for Cziffra.
Yeah, definatly. His HR6 is similar, he uses little pedal, but the octaves sound so smooth and conjunct...

#353256 - 12/18/04 12:33 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Anima Offline
Full Member
Anima  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Belgium
Agreed, I love his HR6. His octaves are amazing, but I prefer Liszt's indications in the octave section. Cziffra pretty much does everything presto. (or -issimo)

#353257 - 12/18/04 12:52 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,331
valarking Offline
2000 Post Club Member
valarking  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,331
TX
Quote
Originally posted by Max W:
Quote
Originally posted by Anima:
[b] That's because Cziffra was so damn nuts.. lol. It has its own charm, though I think it would only work for Cziffra.
Yeah, definatly. His HR6 is similar, he uses little pedal, but the octaves sound so smooth and conjunct... [/b]
I think I recall hearing that he "cheated" on that section. I don't know why, maybe he prefered the sound but I recall hearing that he alternated octaves and single notes instead of all octaves.

I'll see if I can find who said it, they may be BSin...

#353258 - 12/18/04 01:31 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Max W  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
RHUL
Quote
Originally posted by valarking:
Quote
Originally posted by Max W:
[b]
Quote
Originally posted by Anima:
[b] That's because Cziffra was so damn nuts.. lol. It has its own charm, though I think it would only work for Cziffra.
Yeah, definatly. His HR6 is similar, he uses little pedal, but the octaves sound so smooth and conjunct... [/b]
I think I recall hearing that he "cheated" on that section. I don't know why, maybe he prefered the sound but I recall hearing that he alternated octaves and single notes instead of all octaves.

I'll see if I can find who said it, they may be BSin... [/b]
Im fairly certain that it's BS. wink

#353259 - 12/18/04 02:00 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Anima Offline
Full Member
Anima  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Belgium
I've heard that too a while ago, I doubt he'd do that. In the video I've seen he doesnt skip any notes, just misses some but they're hardly hearable. He plays them all with 4 - 5 alternating in the upper note of the octave, it looks like a spider crawling over the keyboard, amazing to see.

#353260 - 12/18/04 02:05 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,893
iamcanadian Offline
1000 Post Club Member
iamcanadian  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,893
Canada
I'm pretty sure that Cziffra does skip every second note with the thumb.


♪♫♪♫
#353261 - 12/18/04 02:53 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 790
Ted2 Offline
500 Post Club Member
Ted2  Offline
500 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2002
Posts: 790
Auckland, New Zealand
I like the effect of using little pedal (on the melody notes mostly, I think) with Mazeppa; a clear, crisp sound in the figurations seems to suit the image. It took me years to realise that because the effect is somewhat rowdy and bland in parts, it isn't necessary to play it heavily and strenuously. On the contrary, I find that maintaining a certain lightness helps conserve energy and also adds to the rhythmic force. It also took me a long time to realise that different parts of it need different touches and finger positions. When I was young I kept on trying to play all of it in the same way, and found it very tiring.


"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley
#353262 - 12/18/04 03:11 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Anima Offline
Full Member
Anima  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 206
Belgium
Quote
Originally posted by iamcanadian:
I'm pretty sure that Cziffra does skip every second note with the thumb.
I checked my video, he DOES play each octave, he doesn't cheat at all..

#353263 - 12/18/04 07:54 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 22
ylisztruusi Offline
Full Member
ylisztruusi  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 22
British Columbia, Canada.
Are any of the Liszt's Trancendental etudes easy? lol


Music presents at once the intensity and the expression of feeling... the intelligible essence of feeling, capable of being apprehended by our senses. It permeates them like like a ray, like a mist, like a spirit, and fills our soul." -Franz Liszt
#353264 - 12/18/04 07:59 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,555
Brendan Offline
Brendan  Offline


Joined: May 2001
Posts: 5,555
McAllen, TX
Quote
Originally posted by iamcanadian:
I'm pretty sure that Cziffra does skip every second note with the thumb.
Yup.

#353265 - 12/18/04 08:42 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 111
rach3 Offline
Full Member
rach3  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 111
wow then he's a loser

#353266 - 12/18/04 08:57 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,893
iamcanadian Offline
1000 Post Club Member
iamcanadian  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,893
Canada
Not really. It's quite a bit harder the way he plays it.


♪♫♪♫
#353267 - 12/18/04 09:07 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,235
Goldberg Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Goldberg  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,235
U.S.
In the HR6? How can you tell? He certainly doesn't in the video I have of him, at least through most of the octaves section. I'm not too good at figuring that stuff out on recordings, but from what I can tell he doesn't do it on my CD either.

I'm not irritated or anything, I'm just curious to know whether or not it's true and, if so, how can you tell? I also heard that a long time ago and it's been "bugging" me in the back of my mind ever since.

edit: hmmm, ok, so I feel kind of stupid now. Like I should have done before posting my question, I went back and watched a little more closely and then tried playing a few measures of the rhapsody on the keyboard and now I'm starting to believe it. I'm not sure I agree that the note-skipping in the thumb makes it any harder, though...it actually seemed a little bit easier to me. But, then, I couldn't play it anywhere near his speed/clarity/etc.

#353268 - 12/20/04 01:40 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Mikester Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Mikester  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Minneesooota
is it possible that Cziffra uses the sostenuto? I mean, on paper it sounds like sostenuto might sound the best fit by sustaining the big melody line and allowing the staccato notes in between to be played without pedal.

#353269 - 12/20/04 03:47 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Max W  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
RHUL
I'm not even gonna comment on what I've read. Disgrace to da SDC. Icicic.

#353270 - 12/20/04 03:50 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Mikester Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Mikester  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,254
Minneesooota
wha?

#353271 - 12/20/04 03:51 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Max W  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
RHUL
Quote
Originally posted by Anima:
Quote
Originally posted by iamcanadian:
[b] I'm pretty sure that Cziffra does skip every second note with the thumb.
I checked my video, he DOES play each octave, he doesn't cheat at all.. [/b]
Dats rite cool

#353272 - 12/20/04 03:54 PM Re: omigosh Mazeppa is hard  
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
Max W Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Max W  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,846
RHUL
Sorry that wasnt directed to you Mikester.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Brendan, Kreisler 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


(ad)
Pianoteq
Grotrian Concert
Royal
for Pianoteq out now
(ad)
A. Geyer Pianos
A. Geyer Pianos
What's Hot!!
Why Do You Play The Piano?
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Piano mystery? All help appreciated!
by RubiconVette805161. 05/23/17 09:31 AM
Kawai Ks5f
by Seano. 05/23/17 09:31 AM
Removing very old keys
by Don B. Cilly. 05/23/17 06:39 AM
The biggest problem of performing and teaching
by Vladimir Dounin. 05/23/17 04:06 AM
(ad)
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics179,831
Posts2,628,969
Members87,852
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Report Problems With New Forums
Report Problems with New Forums Here!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0