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Originally posted by argerichfan:
After Gulda fainted from apoplexy, Argerich simply said "I didn't know it was supposed to be difficult." [/QB] HAHA!
"I was obliged to be industrious. Whoever is equally industrious will succeed equally well."
J.S. Bach
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Re: Gaspard de la Nuit or Rach 2?
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Originally posted by Wood-demon: Originally posted by Bill Finn:
[b] I'm not so good that I could play either one, but I could make a guess: the Ravel piece would be the more difficult. Just my guess. ;-)
Aside from difficulty, and as others have already suggested, Gaspard, being a solo piece, might be more useful for you to know. Unless you have an orchestra standing by for your Rach. 2nd.
And an orchestra with a very extraordinary first chair clarinetist to boot.
And I would agree, from what I have heard, that the Rach. 3rd is more difficult than the 2nd. As far as the Ravel is concerned, I don't know.
[/b]That is a terrible shame and should not have come about if your conductor had done their job. The tempos should have been decided upon ahead of time, by all involved and not left to chance. Still, I have heard SO many recordings of this movement where the clarinetist was simply dialed out, leaving the music only half done. A really great performance should make it the great duet that it is. I would love to hear the concerto played live, but it does not seem to be played very much in my time.
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Perhaps you didn't notice, but this is a rather old thread, and the person you're asking hasn't posted for quite some time. (Just so you don't keep wondering why he doesn't answer!) But welcome to PW anyway. 
Du holde Kunst...
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Having downloaded the first page of Ravel’s Ondine to share in the enthusiasm for his Gaspard de la Nuit ... is there anybody out there who has mastered the ppp playing of the tres doux et tres espressif LH theme which is edged into the busy RH rhythmic motif in m2 & 3 ... only to be almost totally absorbed in m5 and 6 ... I’m battling at my piano to make sense of the complicated structure ... anybody shine a light! ondine first page First, I would consider the right hand shimmering motif as ppp, play the melody a bit louder pp or p - that will help you to separate the hands a bit easier. Another thing that helped me when I learnt this piece was to continue playing the full chord on the right hand - even if the left hand is already using one of the notes for the melody. It means that you will have a finger from each hand on certain keys at certain times, but it makes it easier than trying to selectively add or remove fingers from the right hand motif. It won't affect the sound of the motif because the left hand will be sustaining the note. Once I played it that way for a while, I found that my right hand would gradually leave out the unnecessary fingers. But first, I think the best step is to play the melody much louder than the accompaniment, until you hear and feel each note - that will prevent it from being swallowed up or confused in the right hand fingering. Once you have these roles sorted out, you can bring the melody down to its suitable level.
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Perhaps you didn't notice, but this is a rather old thread, and the person you're asking hasn't posted for quite some time. (Just so you don't keep wondering why he doesn't answer!) But welcome to PW anyway. Whoops! I guess my reply was a bit redundant.. 
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My friend is doing both Gaspard and Rach 1 this semester...
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just a late reaction: I think, I know ! from experience that Rachmaninoff's 3rd concerto is nicer to the hands and fingers than his 2nd, and that Ravel's Gaspard is one of the hardest pieces I ever played; as to repertoire: play and practice all the pieces, esp. the Ravel: not many of us can do it, no orchestra needed ( and op.18 is really not so easy)
Longtemps, je me suis couché de bonne heure, but not anymore!
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