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Hi,

YAMAHA N1X and N3X and latest Clavinova, send polyphonic aftertouch to simulate this (DISKKLAVIER Dialecte) :

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Pianoteq can read the Damper position of N1X and N3X, but in 7.5.4, but apply no effect. (Value are not used to simulate damper smooth release)

I've found a way :


1) for any preset used with YAMAHA N1X - N3X, you have to set the NOTE-OFF velocity to :

Note-Off Velocity = [1, 11, 21, 28, 33, 34; 0, 3, 5, 6, 9, 127]

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(Yamaha seems to use Polyphonic AFT value 20-33 or 20-40, very subtle)

2) Convert polyphonic Aftertouch to note off, with specific note off velocity : (here with Bome translator midi pro)

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and now it's work
I've the Smooth release like internal Yamaha Sound for any Pianoteq presets.

Pianoteq developpers could integrate this directly for all YAMAHA / and latest Clavinova that use Polyphonic Aftertouch to simulate this
But here the soluce.

Regards,

Olivier F.

BOME MIDI TRANSLATOR PRO , preset :

Project: N1X N3X filter
Project MIDI IN ports: AvantGrand
Project MIDI OUT ports: Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual Out,
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[x] Preset 0: N1X N3X Aftertouch

[x] Translator 0.0: Aftertouch to Velocity off
Options: swallow
Incoming: Polyphonic Key Pressure on ch. 1 with any note set 'oo' to note with any pressure and 'pp' to pressure
Outgoing: Note Off on ch. 1 with note:oo and velocity:pp

[x] Translator 0.1: Note On
Options: swallow
Incoming: Note On on ch. 1 with any note set 'qq' to note with any velocity and 'rr' to velocity
Outgoing: Note On on ch. 1 with note:qq and velocity:rr

[x] Translator 0.2: Note Off
Options: swallow
Incoming: Note Off on ch. 1 with any note set 'ss' to note with any velocity and 'tt' to velocity
Outgoing: Note Off on ch. 1 with note:ss and velocity:tt

[x] Translator 0.3: ALL controller
Options: swallow
Incoming: Control Change on ch. 1 with any CC# set 'vv' to CC# with any value and 'ww' to value
Outgoing: Control Change on ch. 1 with CC#:vv and value:ww

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here the right NOTE OFF curve in PTQ after polyphonic Aftertouch conversion to NOTE OFF velocity with same Aftertouch value :

Note-Off Velocity = [0, 19, 20, 33, 34; 127, 127, 9, 0, 127]

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Hi Olivier,

This is very interesting stuff, but perhaps due to language barrier, can you clarify if the following is what you're doing?

1. Pianoteq supports note-off velocity, but doesn't apply it when controlled by AvantGrands, because although PTQ can read Disklavier XP language, it ignores polyphonic aftertouch values, which is Yamaha's proprietary way to implement note-off/smooth release.

2. So you use a separate app to intercept the MIDI from the N1X, read the XP aftertouch value, and translate that to a Note-off velocity, which you then forward on to Pianoteq.

3. Thereafter, Pianoteq will implement its note-off velocity functionality when controlled by the N1X?


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
2. So you use a separate app to intercept the MIDI from the N1X, read the XP aftertouch value, and translate that to a Note-off velocity, which you then forward on to Pianoteq.

On the matter of Gombessa’s #2, I’d like to know if the ‘separate app’ is only needed once to make these changes/translations (permanent), or if the app needs to always be on/open?

And why so much complication; why doesn’t this work out of the box?

Layman talking…….

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Originally Posted by Pete14
And why so much complication; why doesn’t this work out of the box?

I think it's because Yamaha deputized their use of Disklavier MIDI-XP for the AvantGrand, which is really just an Enspire ST without the player functionality. Using the aftertouch value in XP, they can track actual real-time key position (not just a single note-off signal) which they use for smooth release and note-off. I think it's the kind of thing that lets them to stuff like non-sounding partial key presses (see 9:09 below) or non-lifting re-strikes.


It doesn't work out of the box because it would require Pianoteq to custom code behavior just for XP-MIDI. Which they could do. But presumably the AvantGrand/Disklavier market is quite minuscule for bother.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
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It doesn't work out of the box because it would require Pianoteq to custom code behavior just for XP-MIDI. Which they could do. But presumably the AvantGrand/Disklavier market is quite minuscule for bother.

Latest Clavinova have Smooth release too.


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with a freeware MIDI PIPE on MAC OSX, few seconds to set up smile (For latest Clavinova and AvantGrand that have Smooth Release)

more easy :


Hi,

YAMAHA N1X and N3X and latest Clavinova, send polyphonic aftertouch to simulate this (DISKKLAVIER Dialecte) :

[Linked Image]

Pianoteq can read the Damper position of N1X and N3X, but in 7.5.4, but apply no effect. (Value are not used to simulate damper smooth release)

I've found a way :


1) for any preset used with YAMAHA N1X - N3X, you have to set the NOTE-OFF velocity to :

Note-Off Velocity = [19, 20, 32, 33; 127, 6, 3, 127]


[Linked Image]

(Yamaha seems to use Polyphonic AFT value 20-33 or 20-40, very subtle)

2) Convert polyphonic Aftertouch to note off, with specific note off velocity :
(here with MIDI PIPE FREEWARE software - only for MAC)

Get free software to convert MIDI data from AvantGrand :

http://www.subtlesoft.square7.net/MidiPipe.html

Configure MIDIPipe like this (few seconds to configure) :

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(In Midi out don't forget to select both CHECKBOX : pass and Velocity NOTE-OFF value )

run MIDIPIPE (freeware : no CPU cons. and light ) with Pianoteq N1X .fxp preset with this
NOTE OFF velocity curve :

Note-Off Velocity = [19, 20, 32, 33; 127, 6, 3, 127]

and select MIDI PIPE, midi IN in PIANOTEQ :

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Done on MAC OSX
Regards,

Olivier F.


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The las final optimized .fxp for YAMAHA N1X N3X and latest Clavinova :

https://forum.modartt.com/file/bh4uke6l


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