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I hope this screenshot displays correctly, I'm having some trouble with the left hand fingering on this part of Fugue No2 BWV 847 C Minor, the bit from bar 13 to 15 on the left hand.
[img]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WDOW09BOUlxUkR0-qpyJg8f2B71FR5jj/view?usp=sharing[/img] Fugue No2 BWV 847 C Minor, Bach[/url]

I'm using Carl Czerny edition and it is usually ok with the fingering suggestions but in this part there is only a couple of fingering notations like using 1-3 at that Db and Bb right at the start, which i do and think is correct. No matter what I do I always end up with one jump or finger crossing in the end.
Any suggestions or general rules / guidelines to solve this type of problem are welcomed!

The image doesn't seem to appear, will try as a sharable link for the screenshot
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I see the Db and Bb right in the middle and I use 1-2 there. Here's my fingering. I have no issues in these bars.

M13
2123 2123
5345 4345

M14
2112 1212
4234 3434

Any use?


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Just remember, this is not supposed to be legato . . . Much easier then

I use the same fingering as above zrtf90 described

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Originally Posted by marklings
Just remember, this is not supposed to be legato
Exactly. You don't have to connect every single note legato and a varied articulation is more interesting anyway.

FWIW, here's the fingering in the Henle edition, which is from Andras Schiff:

m.13
1-3 on the 2nd pair of beat 1
1-3 on the 2nd pair of beat 3

m.14
2-3 on the 2nd pair of beat 1
2-4 on the 2nd pair of beat 3
1-3 on the 1st pair of beat 4

I tried it and it works but I'm not sure if I would play it with this fingering. I think I like Richard's fingering better.

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Bar 13 for the left-hand: 1-4, 1-3, 2-4, 3-5 2-4, 1-3, 2-4, 3-5
Bar 14 for the left-hand: 2-4, 2-3, 1-4, 3-5 1-4, 2-3, 1-4, 3-5

This is based on the ABRSM edition [with the rest my own addition that I penciled in so take that for what you will, lol. It's probably horrible]. I must say, despite people constantly claiming that this is one of the very easiest of the WTC fugues, I really struggled with memorizing all the little naturals that would appear: a sharp here would last for a bar before being cancelled out then reinstated a bar later. I found the Book 1 F major and D minor easier, as was the four-part fugue in C minor from Book 2!

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Thank you all so much for the contributions, I will try them all out to experiment.
I didn't realised not being legato made a difference in the fingering (this is how big the hiatus is between the pieces I'm tackling and my lack of of basic knowledge). I always assumed that ideally finger transitions in rapid passages like this would be smooth without the hand leaving the keyboard for rapid shifts in position using the same finger twice. I ended up (for now) using Czerny fingering - only one indication of a jump to a 3-1 (F, Ab, besides the first 3-1 I mentioned). The thumb "flies" from C to Ab in this option. I was puzzled because I couldn't find a way to transition into that fingering and I though lifting my hand and using the thumb consecutively in two separate hand positions would be "cheating" or bad technique.
I will try all these suggestions before I pick one! Thank you again.

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Originally Posted by aguia77
Thank you all so much for the contributions, I will try them all out to experiment.
I didn't realised not being legato made a difference in the fingering (this is how big the hiatus is between the pieces I'm tackling and my lack of of basic knowledge). I always assumed that ideally finger transitions in rapid passages like this would be smooth without the hand leaving the keyboard for rapid shifts in position using the same finger twice. I ended up (for now) using Czerny fingering - only one indication of a jump to a 3-1 (F, Ab, besides the first 3-1 I mentioned). The thumb "flies" from C to Ab in this option. I was puzzled because I couldn't find a way to transition into that fingering and I though lifting my hand and using the thumb consecutively in two separate hand positions would be "cheating" or bad technique.
I will try all these suggestions before I pick one! Thank you again.


I would play the left hand in a lightly detached way.


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An interesting bit for you.

My teacher went a few years ago to an andras schiff seminar on Bach interpretation. He claimed a simple rule: "whenever two notes are adjacent play legato, whenever they are not play "appoggiato". (Now I am Italian and I don't know the English word for appoggiato, means not legato but not staccato either).

I found this simple rule enlightening !

Enjoy C.


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