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I am surprised by Khandohi and Shmuckler. Optics are at play for including Anna (sole female) and Stephenson (United States). But both can play, really everyone is deserving at this stage. Kamei was the biggest notable exception, I thought he outplayed everyone except Lim.
Disappointed that Marcel did not advance, he had the most creative programming, and was getting stronger at each stage. And I loved his Mozart.


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I’m speechless. I thought both Tadokoro and Kamei did very well. But they are both young. Especially Kamei. I am certain that the experience of the world stage make them progress even more.
At least we were treated with their excellent performances.

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Concertos we'll hear:

Beethoven 1st (Geniushene)
Beethoven 3rd (Choni, Lim)
Chopin 1st (Khandohi)
Gershwin (Stephenson)
Grieg (Shmukler)

Prokofiev 3rd (Choni)
Rachmaninov 2nd (Khandohi)
Rachmaninov 3rd (Lim, Shmukler, Stephenson)
Tchaikovsky 1st (Geniushene)

First time I can recall that the Gershwin and Grieg concertos are being played here.

Feels like a lot of Rachmaninov 3rds, but it could be worse. In 2001 they not only had *4* competitors playing it, they also had each competitor play each of their concerti twice, making it 8 performances total.

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I told you so about Shmukler.

I was never that keen on Tadokoro, but enough people are that I'm sure the future is bright for him.

Khandohi was never on my radar, I'll have to review his performances.

I thought Lim was the best of the Koreans, and I'm sure he will medal!


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Some of the standout performances for me were:

Choni - Quarterfinal recital: Prok Sarcasms, L’Isle Joyeuse, Dante Sonata
Geniushena - Semifinal recital: Beethoven Bagatelles, Prok 8
Khandohi - Prok 6
Lim - K482 Concerto, overall level of accomplishment for his age
Shmukler - Prok 8
Stephenson - Prok 7, Liszt B Minor Ballade, Firebird, K467 Concerto

Of those not making through, I particularly remember:
Kamei - Semifinal recital: La Campanella, Gaspard, Islamey
Sun - Quarterfinal recital: Vine Bagatelles, Chopin Fantasy, Bach-Busoni Chaconne
Tadokoro - Strategic error in programming mostly all groups of smaller pieces (variations, suites, individual pieces, etc.).

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Some of my own highlights so far from the finalists (still haven't caught up on all the semifinal recitals)

Choni: 2nd movement of his Rachmaninov Sonata, the slower moments in his Dante Sonata
Geniushena: Her preliminary round Etudes Tableaux (#4 in particular, but the whole set, really)
Khandohi: Schumann Symphonic Etudes and Prokofiev sonata.
Lim: His Mozart (both the Sonata and the Concerto) and his Scriabin.
Shmukler: His Bach-Busoni.
Stephenson: His Haydn sonata and Liszt Ballade

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I didn't go through the performance of each & every contestant (no time, so just randomly watched a few), but I trust the panel of judges make a rational call. If taking away the performance element for the time being, isn't the combination of finalists (nationality, gender, race) fit the current political environment of US?

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Yes!
FOUR of my Original Choices from the Preliminary Round made it all the way to the Finals!

This would be my favorite order:
1 Yunchan Lim
2 Clayton Stephenson
3 Dmytro Choni
4 Ilya Shmukler


This will probably be the actual order:
#1 Yunchan Lim
#2 Dmytro Choni
#3 Anna Geniushene
#4 Clayton Stephenson
#5 Ilya Shmukler
#6 Uladzislau Khandohi

I think 'the kid' is going to steal the show and take the whole thing.
3hearts

Will now be watching all the Concertos
Disappointed tho that Sun did not make it thru - would love to have heard the Beethoven 5th!

These are just all my opinion
Can't wait to read some of the other opinions/posts

brdwyguy

PS reading many of the posts, esp Brendan's, I am learning what to listen for in the performances.
I don't know many of these pieces so can't tell if someone is playing a wrong note/chord/etc.
I DO know the Beethoven 5th & Prokofiev 3rd, why I was pulling a little for 'Sun' - so I could follow along with my
piano score. LOL

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Originally Posted by BeeZee4
I am surprised by Khandohi and Shmuckler. Optics are at play for including Anna (sole female) and Stephenson (United States). But both can play, really everyone is deserving at this stage. Kamei was the biggest notable exception, I thought he outplayed everyone except Lim.
Disappointed that Marcel did not advance, he had the most creative programming, and was getting stronger at each stage. And I loved his Mozart.

I'm also inclined to believe that something else is going on. There was no reason to omit Kamei in favor of Shmukler, who very much fits the stereotype of standard competition playing in the 90s/early 2000s and has musically already shown us his limits (you can very much tell the influence of his teacher, Ioudenitch). Similarly, I like Clayton's energy and drive but don't think that he also played better than Kamei. Anna had several obvious memory slips in her Prokofiev and was pretty harsh with the accents and articulation in her Beethoven, but she went last. The Verdi-Liszt was lovely, though.

Khandohi is more of a new generation of Russian pianists in the style of Shiskin and Trifonov (he's clearly emulating their mannerisms), but musically it's not compelling to my ears.

Anyway, whatever - competitions are competitions and someone always ends up going home before they probably should. My honest feeling is that Choni or Lim will win and Stephenson will get a top prize.

Final schedule:

Bass Performance Hall

TUESDAY, JUNE 14, 2022

Final Round Concert 1

7:30 p.m.
Yunchan Lim, South Korea, 18 – BEETHOVEN Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, op. 37
Ilya Shmukler, Russia, 27 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, op. 30
20-minute intermission
Clayton Stephenson, United States, 23– GERSHWIN Piano Concerto in F Major

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15, 2022

Final Round Concert 2

7:30 p.m.
Uladzislau Khandohi, Belarus, 20 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, op. 18
Anna Geniushene, Russia, 31 – BEETHOVEN Piano Concerto No. 1 in C Major, op. 15
20-minute intermission
Dmytro Choni, Ukraine, 28 – PROKOFIEV Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Major, op. 26

FRIDAY, JUNE 17, 2022

Final Round Concert 3

7:30 p.m.
Clayton Stephenson, United States, 23 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, op. 30
Ilya Shmukler, Russia, 27 – GRIEG Piano Concerto in A Minor, op. 16
20-minute intermission
Yunchan Lim, South Korea, 18 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, op. 30

SATURDAY, JUNE 18, 2022

Final Round Concert 4

3:00 p.m.
Dmytro Choni, Ukraine, 28 – BEETHOVEN Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, op. 37
Uladzislau Khandohi, Belarus, 20 – CHOPIN Piano Concerto No. 1 in E Minor, op. 11
20-minute intermission
Anna Geniushene, Russia, 31 – TCHAIKOVSKY Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-flat Minor, op. 23

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I am surprised by Khandohi and Shmuckler. Optics are at play for including Anna (sole female) and Stephenson (United States). But both can play, really everyone is deserving at this stage. Kamei was the biggest notable exception, I thought he outplayed everyone except Lim.
Disappointed that Marcel did not advance, he had the most creative programming, and was getting stronger at each stage. And I loved his Mozart.

I'm also inclined to believe that something else is going on. There was no reason to omit Kamei in favor of Shmukler, who very much fits the stereotype of standard competition playing in the 90s/early 2000s and has musically already shown us his limits (you can very much tell the influence of his teacher, Ioudenitch). Similarly, I like Clayton's energy and drive but don't think that he also played better than Kamei. Anna had several obvious memory slips in her Prokofiev and was pretty harsh with the accents and articulation in her Beethoven, but she went last. The Verdi-Liszt was lovely, though.

Khandohi is more of a new generation of Russian pianists in the style of Shiskin and Trifonov (he's clearly emulating their mannerisms), but musically it's not compelling to my ears.

Anyway, whatever - competitions are competitions and someone always ends up going home before they probably should. My honest feeling is that Choni or Lim will win and Stephenson will get a top prize.

Final schedule:

Bass Performance Hall

TUESDAY, JUNE 14, 2022

Final Round Concert 1

7:30 p.m.
Yunchan Lim, South Korea, 18 – BEETHOVEN Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, op. 37
Ilya Shmukler, Russia, 27 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, op. 30
20-minute intermission
Clayton Stephenson, United States, 23– GERSHWIN Piano Concerto in F Major

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15, 2022

Final Round Concert 2

7:30 p.m.
Uladzislau Khandohi, Belarus, 20 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 2 in C Minor, op. 18
Anna Geniushene, Russia, 31 – BEETHOVEN Piano Concerto No. 1 in C Major, op. 15
20-minute intermission
Dmytro Choni, Ukraine, 28 – PROKOFIEV Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Major, op. 26

FRIDAY, JUNE 17, 2022

Final Round Concert 3

7:30 p.m.
Clayton Stephenson, United States, 23 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, op. 30
Ilya Shmukler, Russia, 27 – GRIEG Piano Concerto in A Minor, op. 16
20-minute intermission
Yunchan Lim, South Korea, 18 – RACHMANINOV Piano Concerto No. 3 in D Minor, op. 30

SATURDAY, JUNE 18, 2022

Final Round Concert 4

3:00 p.m.
Dmytro Choni, Ukraine, 28 – BEETHOVEN Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Minor, op. 37
Uladzislau Khandohi, Belarus, 20 – CHOPIN Piano Concerto No. 1 in E Minor, op. 11
20-minute intermission
Anna Geniushene, Russia, 31 – TCHAIKOVSKY Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-flat Minor, op. 23

Why would they put two Rach 3 on the same night? There was enough variety to space it out.

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This is kind of late but, wow Lim's Feux Follets was incredibly competent. I haven't listened to all the rounds but Lim's technique shines through the tough competition IMO.

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Historically speaking, the final roster of the Cliburn has always seemed to indicate that diversity is a major consideration. This might explain some questionable--or even downright perplexing--decisions.

(Remember a few Cliburns back there was THE PIANIST WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED whose inclusion left us all bewildered?)

That said, given the importance of representation I can't get too mad about it. And--if I may further indulge my unfounded suspicions--it seems that sometimes they may choose to leave out an artist who is already clearly so developed and already has such career momentum that they will likely do fine without being able to list "Cliburn Competition Finalist" on their C. V., whereas others can really use that boost. In this competition, Kamei is the sacrificial lamb. While disappointing, I can't say I'm worried about his future prospects as a pianist.

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Why would they put two Rach 3 on the same night? There was enough variety to space it out.

They wanted to space out everyone's concerto performances equally, so they put three people on Tuesday/Friday, and the other three on Wednesday/Saturday.

Khandohi, Choni, and Geniushene all had their long solo recitals on Sunday afternoon/evening, so were put in the Wednesday/Saturday group. That left the three Rach 3 players on Tuesday/Friday, meaning two of them had to be on the same day.

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On a separate note: It seems unfounded (and unfair to the pianists in question) to assume that certain pianists made the final due to "diversity quotas" or anything else separate from their playing.

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I like Geniushene. She seems genuine. Pun half-intended.


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I've attended the Cliburn semi finals in 2001 and 2009. Loved every minute of the live performances so am so glad to have live internet access and replays. This year was incredibly demanding of the performers and I've listened to almost all of the gorgeous music. The talent is deep and whether or not diversity is a consideration, ALL of them are worthy competitors in their own rights. I'm looking forward to the finals and will applaud any of these finalists as the winner.


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Originally Posted by vers la flan
Historically speaking, the final roster of the Cliburn has always seemed to indicate that diversity is a major consideration. This might explain some questionable--or even downright perplexing--decisions.

(Remember a few Cliburns back there was THE PIANIST WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED whose inclusion left us all bewildered?)

That said, given the importance of representation I can't get too mad about it. And--if I may further indulge my unfounded suspicions--it seems that sometimes they may choose to leave out an artist who is already clearly so developed and already has such career momentum that they will likely do fine without being able to list "Cliburn Competition Finalist" on their C. V., whereas others can really use that boost. In this competition, Kamei is the sacrificial lamb. While disappointing, I can't say I'm worried about his future prospects as a pianist.

Past Cliburn winners don't seem to have a big career momentum generated by other winners of prestigious competitions (Daniil Trifinov, Alexander Kantorow, Seong-jin Cho for instance, winners of either the Tchaikovsky or Chopin). Their debut albums have generated critical raves and their recitals and concert appearances have generated many fans. Jury is still out for Bruce Liu, but who really remembers Andre Michel Schub, Jose Feghali or Alexander Kobrin? Ioudenich is now teaching (one if his students is a finalist here), and as far as Olga Kern is concerned, I would rather see Mitsuko, Beatrice Rana or Yuja in recital. So not every winner is never guaranteed a solid performing career. But public exposure at the Finals stage can boost one's prospects in a performing career if they so desire.


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Late to the party on this one, but Shmukler wins my "Where the *** did that come from?" award for his semifinal recital. After his first recital, I was dreading the thought of a similarly assultative approach to Brahms and Prokofiev. Instead, we got an elegant set of variations (with Brahms and Handel both shining through in generous measures) and a Prokofiev sonata with a fantastic degree of control, giving the ending all that much more power when he finally let the leash off.

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I have only been watching the replays so far. What is the link to the live video? Does one have to subscribe to medici to watch the live performances?

Thanks!

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Medici.tv broadcasts live and carries replays. I just look for Cliburn Medici and it pops up.


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