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So today I tried the log scale again, but turned on "smooth spinner" in the display settings. I was still on medium for the indicator response. Didn't try slow indicator response.

Ron, thank you for the clarification.

Smooth Spinner is effective only when the display type is Spinner. It has no influence when display type is Indicator.
So this is surprising for me. I will check the code.

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I was working at the university, so the pianos were better than what I've seen the last couple of days. That could be why it worked better!

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Really worked well today. I think the problems I've experienced with overpull measuring are probably related to my habit of sounding the next note higher while I'm moving mutes. It worked well for another app - that's why I developed that habit! I was able to avoid doing that (mostly) today.

I tried the slow response, but prefer the medium. The messages about "getting noise level" work well.

Thanks for all the work, very well done!

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Ron, great to hear that the app is working well.

Thank you very much!

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More overpull:

Is there an easier way to start an overpull over on a particular piano? I could open another file and then open the one I wanted and that cleared all of the previous overpull measurements. (This would be for a piano where the first pass didn't result in all notes within a cent or so)

I'm still getting random mis-measurements for overpull - even when in manual note switching. I haven't been able to replicate or figure out if it is something that I'm doing. Perhaps the length of time needs to be increased a little? Just guessing...

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Ron, thank you for the update.

I am still working on to make over pull measurements safer. I might put some additional checks but that could also slow the measurement time sometimes.

Just to be sure if understand correctly, are you asking for a way to clear all over pull values. Or do you want the over pull values saved in the tuning file.

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Thankfully, it doesn't happen often, but sometimes if the overpull percentages don't match the piano, then a second pass with new overpull can help even things out - especially on a larger overpull. (Although for large overpulls, I plan on just using a file from a similar piano or the generic values to get everything close before measuring)

So a global clear of overpull values - yes.

I worry about a tech not watching the overpull values and just following the display. It is probably better to lean towards safer rather than faster to avoid any complaints about the efficacy of the overpull.

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Originally Posted by RonTuner
Thankfully, it doesn't happen often, but sometimes if the overpull percentages don't match the piano, then a second pass with new overpull can help even things out - especially on a larger overpull. (Although for large overpulls, I plan on just using a file from a similar piano or the generic values to get everything close before measuring)

So a global clear of overpull values - yes.

I worry about a tech not watching the overpull values and just following the display. It is probably better to lean towards safer rather than faster to avoid any complaints about the efficacy of the overpull.

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Ron, thank you for the clarification.

I will implement a global clear mechanism and try to add additional checks for safer measurements.

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I did try to crash it yesterday... When using the double octave matching into the bass, when measuring through the first time, the app makes us go measure up above A4 first. I assume to provide data for beginning to blend in the double octave information from the 8:2 match below F3.

So I tried to set the bass to a single octave and measured all the way down to A0 from A4. Then I went to settings and switched to 8:2/6:3, thinking that the app would get messed up or at least give me the warning that I needed to "tune E5 first" or something like that when I returned to the tuning screen.

No warnings, no message. Continued measuring to the top.

So my question: As new data is collected above A4, will the whole tuning calculation continue to update, even below F3? I didn't compare any numbers to check before tuning, but I wondered...

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Ron, I have uploaded Build 40.

In this build:

Long pressing on over pull value (any time, any note) prompts to clear over pull data for all notes.
Over pull measurements has additional checks.

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So my question: As new data is collected above A4, will the whole tuning calculation continue to update, even below F3? I didn't compare any numbers to check before tuning, but I wondered...

Yes. Whole tuning (88 notes) is re-calculated every time a note is played (mic active).

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Whole tuning recalculated every time a note is played...

That's only until all notes up to C7 are measured, then the calculation stays stable, correct?

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Originally Posted by RonTuner
Whole tuning recalculated every time a note is played...

That's only until all notes up to C7 are measured, then the calculation stays stable, correct?

The whole tuning is always re-calculated every time a note is played.

The tuning stays stable (same values calculated over and over each time a note is played), if there is no change in inharmonicity values, stretch settings, A4 frequency, temperament type.

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I forgot to ask if the midrange setting could go up higher - at least to F5?

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Ron, thank you for the suggestion.

I will extend the Midrange Note range up to F5 and Treble Note will begin from F#5.

Will upload a new build soon.

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Hmm, I wonder if that will push it too high for some pianos, I was hoping that it would be possible to have them overlap. Some first struts are lower while some spinets are much higher...

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Originally Posted by RonTuner
Hmm, I wonder if that will push it too high for some pianos, I was hoping that it would be possible to have them overlap. Some first struts are lower while some spinets are much higher...

Ron

They can overlap, but Treble Note will be set to the next note automatically, if it is selected below or the same as the highest Midrange Note. A message will be displayed in such a case.

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I have uploaded Build 41.

In this build:

Over pull Midrange Note is extended to F#5.
A warning message appears if Midrange and Treble Notes overlap.

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I have read that some techs prefer dark mode - would support for that be easy to include?

Overpull.

For me, when I see spinner/needle motion, I want to respond by moving the lever! Perhaps delay the display appearing until the pre-measuring of the note is complete?


I still think some sort of "large overpull" mode would be helpful to many techs for a quick first pass for neglected pianos.
1. generic Ih of a few standard pianos(that's already in there)
2. minimal measuring (average bass note, average mid-range, average treble - it could be slider settings in a large overpull menu)
3. maximum overpull limit for each section

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Ron, thank you for the suggestions.

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I have read that some techs prefer dark mode - would support for that be easy to include?

Honestly, I don't think it will possible this time, but I will look into it.

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For me, when I see spinner/needle motion, I want to respond by moving the lever! Perhaps delay the display appearing until the pre-measuring of the note is complete?

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2. minimal measuring (average bass note, average mid-range, average treble - it could be slider settings in a large overpull menu)
3. maximum overpull limit for each section

I will try to implement these.

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Perhaps delay the display appearing until the pre-measuring of the note is complete?

Ron, I have uploaded Build 42, which includes delay while measuring over pull.

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