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If I remember correctly, the problem posted re the Spiro transfer involved access to the tablet which contains links to the available music. I just suggested you should work out the data transfer with Steinway.


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What is sad is that people think that player pianos are pianos that are not meant to be listened to, that they’re just there for background music. I blame it on the hotel industry, I guess. Pianos are mechanical devices that are perfect for mechanical playback. The artists of old had no trouble recording and distributing music for player pianos and people had player pianos in their homes as home entertainment systems.

I suppose radio killed the player piano. Still, no piano on the radio, or any stereo speaker, ever sounds as good as a player piano, if the piano is tuned.


Larry, I don’t think that is true any longer. In fact, most Steinway Spiro are sold to non-players. They must be buying them because of the ability to actually listen to good music, produced with high quality.

How do you know most Steinways Spirios are sold to non-players? There is no way to verify your hypothesis. There can always be someone in the family that plays.

It’s nice that acoustic pianos are bought for any reason at all, and, yes, I expect the people who buy them appreciate the quality of the recordings.

Given the small market for player piano recordings, I wish all player systems would share their recordings, and by that I mean, sell them. I am more than willing to pay the recordings of Steinway artists to be played on my Disklavier, or my Disklavier Pro, if I ever get one of those.

How do I know about Spiro data? Who would ever buy one and identify themselves as a non-player? It’s bad enough to be mocked for ownin a player piano. I believe that was in the data Steinway released with the announcement of going public. I don’t believe you will see Steinway making their recordings available for anything but Steinway pianos.

I don’t believe the data identified buyers as players or non-players. Who would identify themselves as a non-player? It’s bad enough to be mocked for owning a player piano.

And, you’re right, Steinway won’t share.

The solenoid player systems trace back to the work done by the inventor Wayne Stahnke. He sold his latest company, Live Performance, to Steinway, and consulted for Yamaha before that. Yamaha has been refining the Disklavier since the 1980s.

http://pianosoftware.com/news/

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67% of Spiro buyers are non players—- from Steinway’s IPO info

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...-steinway-filed-for-ipo.html#Post3209658


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Originally Posted by dogperson
67% of Spiro buyers are non players—- from Steinway’s IPO info

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...-steinway-filed-for-ipo.html#Post3209658

I wonder how they know. Nobody asked me if I played when I bought my Disklavier.

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67% of Spiro buyers are non players—- from Steinway’s IPO info

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...-steinway-filed-for-ipo.html#Post3209658

Thanks for that statistic, @dogperson. It tells me there could be a latent market in that same population who might enjoy "house concerts", "private recitals", "Lieder Abends". Fellow players - how to reach that group and get them enjoying actual LIVE performances on their recording equipped Steinways?

Sorry for the diversion on this thread. Perhaps another on the topic is indicated.


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Originally Posted by Seeker
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67% of Spiro buyers are non players—- from Steinway’s IPO info

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...-steinway-filed-for-ipo.html#Post3209658

Thanks for that statistic, @dogperson. It tells me there could be a latent market in that same population who might enjoy "house concerts", "private recitals", "Lieder Abends". Fellow players - how to reach that group and get them enjoying actual LIVE performances on their recording equipped Steinways?

Sorry for the diversion on this thread. Perhaps another on the topic is indicated.

Perhaps an ad on CL, FB would yield some clients… even better would be advertising on a local symphony program. I do think there is a market


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I spent my life in the music biz trenches and I have lots of serious musician friends. I have tried to talk some of my wealthy clientele who don't play (whether they have player systems or not) to think about the occasional party with a live band since they have a piano. The next door neighbor to my shop is the only one so far who has taken the opportunity and I was invited to the dinner as a thank you. After dinner everyone was up dancing and singing along and the homeowner has had three concert/dinners in his house and has had the best time.

People with pianos in their houses often have no idea how easy it can be to have a great musician come play in their home, which I had hoped would become a bigger side business for me, if only to see people enjoy music in their houses and see fine musicians have another source of revenue.

The take up has been slow.

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I agree that a live pianist trumps mechanics for almost everything.


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I forget the source, but someone from Steinway in New York said: "It takes months, years to complete the sale of a Steinway piano to a musician. With Spirio, we have had people walk in, and in 20 minutes they are writing a check."


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I spent my life in the music biz trenches and I have lots of serious musician friends. I have tried to talk some of my wealthy clientele who don't play (whether they have player systems or not) to think about the occasional party with a live band since they have a piano. The next door neighbor to my shop is the only one so far who has taken the opportunity and I was invited to the dinner as a thank you. After dinner everyone was up dancing and singing along and the homeowner has had three concert/dinners in his house and has had the best time.

People with pianos in their houses often have no idea how easy it can be to have a great musician come play in their home, which I had hoped would become a bigger side business for me, if only to see people enjoy music in their houses and see fine musicians have another source of revenue.

The take up has been slow.

In these times of COVID, it is not easy at all to have a great musician come to one’s home. We don’t have parties, we don’t invite people over. I’m lucky to have a wonderful teacher who comes to my house to teach me, both of us masked up.

Before the pandemic, I went to many house concerts in New York City put on by Groupmuse. But, that’s New York, where you could yell on a street corner and find Juilliard grads.

An excellent live pianist beats a mechanical player piano, but the mechanical player beats my playing, and offers variety over what I play.

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