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Might be a dumb thread...

Is it:

Sho-pawn (heard some)

Chop-in (lol-just for the laughs)

Sho-pan??

Sho as in show or is it said cho??

I genuinely can’t find a clear answer...

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Show pain.


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"Music, rich, full of feeling, not soulless, is like a crystal on which the sun falls and brings forth from it a whole rainbow" - F. Chopin
"I never dreamt with my own two hands I could touch the sky" - Sappho

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Originally Posted by Rubens
Show pain.
Ah yes, the best composer! Show Pain!


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I have always followed this

Sounds like a sho-pawn or something thanks.

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Everybody appears to say show pan. As in show rhyming with go, and pan rhyming with span.

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Finally, my wife can stop looking at me funny when I say Choppin' grin


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Show-pan is polish or something and
Show-pawn is French??

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Originally Posted by probably blue
Show-pan is polish or something and
Show-pawn is French??
I'm native Polish. We pronounce it Sho-pen, which is not how either the French or English speakers pronounce it.

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In the Netherlands I hear people say sho-pan and also sho-peh, like sho-pan but without saying the N.

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Hard to type out pronunciations... lol.

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Sayin’ it the American way would be Choppin’ like you’re in the kitchen chopping onions.

in Chinese it’s written as 萧邦/肖邦 and the pronunciation: Xiāobāng. The ch/sh gets substituted with a funny “xi” sound. The “ao” sounds like “owl” than a long “o”. And the 2nd syllable has a “b” sound instead of “p”.

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Originally Posted by probably blue
Hard to type out pronunciations... lol.

Not if you use the IPA ... but I can't reproduce the characters here.

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This is how I pronounce his full name:

frɨˈdɛrɨk fraɲˈt͡ɕiʂɛk ˈʂɔpɛn


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Originally Posted by bennevis
This is how I pronounce his full name:

frɨˈdɛrɨk fraɲˈt͡ɕiʂɛk ˈʂɔpɛn

I don't pronounce the 'n' at the end; I use the French nasal sound represented by the 'n' in certain contexts in French.

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by bennevis
This is how I pronounce his full name:

frɨˈdɛrɨk fraɲˈt͡ɕiʂɛk ˈʂɔpɛn

I don't pronounce the 'n' at the end; I use the French nasal sound represented by the 'n' in certain contexts in French.

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Yes, precisely. And the first syllable is like "shop", NOT "showp".

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Originally Posted by bennevis
This is how I pronounce his full name:

frɨˈdɛrɨk fraɲˈt͡ɕiʂɛk ˈʂɔpɛn
Just to be clear, this is the Polish pronounciation of his name Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin (Szopen) from an authorized source.

The French pronunciation of his name (Frédéric François Chopin) is fʁedeʁik fʁɑ̃swa ʃɔpɛ̃......just in case anyone's interested whistle.


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Originally Posted by bennevis
......just in case anyone's interested whistle.

I would be if I could understand it!

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Originally Posted by probably blue
Might be a dumb thread...
Is it:
Sho-pawn (heard some)
Chop-in (lol-just for the laughs)
Sho-pan??
Sho as in show or is it said cho??
I genuinely can’t find a clear answer...

I don’t think this is a dumb thread at all. I think it’s a great thread, because Chopin’s name is probably one of the most mispronounced names in history. grin Even in the classical world, there are well known and authoritative people who still mispronounce it, contributing to the issue.

Everyone’s input is great, but I’d say, for me, the best answer is from candela:

Originally Posted by candela

I think this is the best resource: it’s got native French and Polish speakers pronouncing the name AND it acknowledges the cultural duality of the answer to your question.

Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin was born to a French father who immigrated to Poland & a Polish mother. Chopin is a French surname; his forename and middle names are Polish. When he fled to France, he adapted French equivalents of his forename and middle name, and because he rose to fame during this time, that is how he is famously known.

As Chopin is a French surname, the French pronunciation is the oldest and, perhaps, linguistically, the “correct” one.

That said, owing to Chopin’s half-Polish ancestry, his personal identification as Polish, & his proud display of Polish culture, he’s become a national icon in his homeland, and Poland has practically adapted his surname, complete with a “Polish pronunciations” as a loan word.

Thus, the answer to how you pronounce his last name depends on whether you wish to use the French or Polish pronunciation of the surname. The French pronunciation is most often used, but the Polish one is “correct” too.

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There is a pianist, Steven Massicotte, who uses a very strange French-Canadian pronunciation for Chopin on his teaching vids:



Southern US would be sho, as in sho 'nuff (assuredly enough), and pan as in frying. laugh


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