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I guess the resumption of Asahi Kasei Electronics is good news for Yamaha.
The AKM plant fire and Corona were the cause of Yamaha's semiconductor shortage, but it is now on its way to being resolved.
If all goes well, maybe the supply of new and current products will be smoother.
Now if only the Covid would converge, it would be perfect....

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I ask, again, do we have only one ‘chip factory’ in the whole wide world? If yes, why?

I’m sure we have more than just one factory making ‘lightbulbs’; more than one making ‘shades’; more than one making ‘toilet seats’, so why on earth does the world come to a complete halt because ‘one’ chip factory burnt down to the ground!

Call me old fashioned, but I think we should have at least ‘two’ of everything (as ordained by God to Noah).

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Frito lay has over 30 chip manufacturing facilities.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
I ask, again, do we have only one ‘chip factory’ in the whole wide world? If yes, why?

I’m sure we have more than just one factory making ‘lightbulbs’; more than one making ‘shades’; more than one making ‘toilet seats’, so why on earth does the world come to a complete halt because ‘one’ chip factory burnt down to the ground!

Call me old fashioned, but I think we should have at least ‘two’ of everything (as ordained by God to Noah).

In most cases it works like this, that you as a customer think that there are dozens of factories, while actually the core product is made by one or in good case three factories in the world. It works like this is many industries.

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Three reasons: Price, price, and price.

"Chips" a.k.a. "integrated circuits" are extremely complex devices and there are millions of different ones, all with different designs. It takes time for their design, their testing, their fabrication, etc. And everyone wants to pay $5 for them in bulk which means the design and fabrication costs need spread over massive production runs.

The issue the auto makers ran into is they tend to stick with very old designs for many years, relatively speaking, so their chip manufacturers need big orders. Otherwise the chip manufacturers would focus on the newer higher-capability designs that they can charge for.

When the auto makers cut their orders due to COVID, those chip manufacturers shifted their production abilities to companies that were still buying. Then the auto makers wanted to restart their production of old devices and some of the chip manufacturers instead said "Nope. You need to update your designs for what we're building today."

You snooze, you loose, once again.

Casio builds their own chips so they were relatively unaffected in shipping their products.

It's the same with companies that decide to move their computing systems to "The Cloud". When you outsource your business-critical processes you have put your company's future in the hands of those outsourcers.

When Salesforce decided they didn't like weapons manufacturers, Salesforce notified those customers that they would not renew their contracts. That put them all at high risk of going out of business. This type of thinking will only increase in the future.

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Are we saying that the ‘fire’ was deliberately set by ‘the factory’ in order to rid themselves of old-and-cheap orders from the likes of Ford, and start anew with more lucrative orders?

This is a major accusation, and, therefore, I demand evidence to support it!

Have we performed the proper forensics to determining the fire’s composition, duration, and, most importantly, causation?

Did it start in the basement, the fire?

Did it work its way down from the ceiling, the fire?

An accelerant, a smell, a certain hue, the color purple?

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I don't think they have a basement wink

Really the HD platters were basically sourced from one plant and when it flooded a few years ago it took months to resolve the shortage. It is the way of the industry.

In the hobby industry Digital Command Control Decoders are produced in the USA but a few raw circuits are yep made over-sea. So even basic DCC decoders were/are still in tight supply.

I hoping with this mishap Roland will of had the time to design a new chip for their Digital Pianos. Maybe I'll get my wish and a new model HP series will come out this fall.

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Originally Posted by EPW
Maybe I'll get my wish and a new model HP series will come out this fall.

Peace


Why do you insist on Roland, EPW, when Yamaha is so much better?

Heck, even the Arius beats most of Roland’s -overpriced- offerings!

Peace!

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I like the keyboard action for one Pete14 and I'm in the minority that likes what Roland is doing with their modeled approach.

But funds might dictate a Yamaha or a Kawai or even a Casio model in the future. With one child in College now and another this coming fall I shall keep pact for now.


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Originally Posted by Pete14
I ask, again, do we have only one ‘chip factory’ in the whole wide world? If yes, why?

I’m sure we have more than just one factory making ‘lightbulbs’; more than one making ‘shades’; more than one making ‘toilet seats’, so why on earth does the world come to a complete halt because ‘one’ chip factory burnt down to the ground!

Call me old fashioned, but I think we should have at least ‘two’ of everything (as ordained by God to Noah).

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Pete, the "factory" that makes a transistor is not the same that makes an analog integrated circuit, that is not the same that makes a gazillion transistors microprocessor (whether Intel or AMD or whatever). There are tens if not hundreds of processes, each one specific to each kind of component.

Besides, nowadays, with very few exceptions, there is no second sourcing of integrated circuits so it is not possible (most of the time) just replacing one with another. Not to mention there is that shortage (lead times are often of one year) due to high demand. It takes only one one-cent missing component to stop a production line, what to say when several, tens or hundreds of components (one-cent or otherwise) are missing.

I did not look at the specific factory, but some components are ASIC (application specific integrated circuits) or very specific parts that only one specific "factory" produces. Even when there are functionally similar products from different manufacturers, they are not pin or functionally compatible and so a redesign is required. If that part is on high demand... Well, I think you get the picture.


Originally Posted by Pete14
Are we saying that the ‘fire’ was deliberately set by ‘the factory’ in order to rid themselves of old-and-cheap orders from the likes of Ford, and start anew with more lucrative orders?

This is a major accusation, and, therefore, I demand evidence to support it!

Have we performed the proper forensics to determining the fire’s composition, duration, and, most importantly, causation?

Did it start in the basement, the fire?

Did it work its way down from the ceiling, the fire?

An accelerant, a smell, a certain hue, the color purple?

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EVC, I’m certain there’s a load of these ‘components’ (you talk about) sitting in a warehouse somewhere in Californee!

You see, there is an old practice called the “hold & sold”: basically what you do is you ‘hold’ the crucial component(s) (in a warehouse, for example), and then you only give the customer a little taste of it, whilst claiming “there’s more coming, but it’s all sold, so you’ll have to wait a year for the next batch.”

A few minutes later, you -the customer- is making them an offer they can’t refuse, “okay, I’ll give you ten thousand for that there N1X”, and suddenly, they find that one spare N1X order was “coincidentally canceled a few minutes ago;” lucky you!

Granted, the ‘fire & higher’ scam is a little more sophisticated than the ‘hold & sold’, but still it is a scam, and I want my money back!

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EVC, I’m certain there’s a load of these ‘components’ (you talk about) sitting in a warehouse somewhere in Californee!

More likely in China.

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