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So I am new to this forum. I am by no means a good piano player. As a kid I played very basic stuff but at 16 the guitar grabbed my attention and became my instrument of choice and it still is.

But now, many years later I would like to start playing piano again.

Now recently this old (2008) Yamaha DGX630 came in my possession. It is kind of fun, many voices, rhythms and possibilities, but I only use the piano sound, the e-piano's and the strings. The e-piano's are pretty good, but the 'grand piano' in the 630 is not the best, to my ears, as are the other piano's.

Now my question:

Would buying the Kawai ES110 (or any other sub-1000 dollar dp like the Yamaha P125 or Roland FP30) give me a better piano experience? The bells and whistles on the 630 do not interest me at all, but are the piano sounds in the ES110/P125 noticably better than those in the DGX630? I could imagine that digital sampling now is somewhat better than in 2008 and that the 630 is slowly becoming an 'antique' just like a laptop from 2008 is today.

Due to covid regulations and restrictions, trying out those newer digital piano's is not an option right now. Would really like to hear your opinions.

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Maybe my experience relates. I had a Yamaha P120 (vintage 2002). My main gripe was the brutally HEAVY action. Bought an ES110 and enjoy it, especially the key feel - but I’m not sure I felt the sound was a massive upgrade. When I hear the piano sound recorded, I think “wow that is really amazing.” (And it’s not because my playing is good smile .) I think the speakers on the ES110 are fairly weak and unfortunately that diminishes the live playing experience.

I think the P120 actually had pretty good sound output (plenty loud and detailed); not sure how it would compare to your Yamaha, but I know it wasn’t the same level of piano voice as the ES110. Still, there was something pleasing about having that volume.

In your place, I’d either learn with the current piano for a while or reach a little higher - the ES520 is available for around $1200 and I think would guarantee a great piano sound with a beefy enough sound system.

I’m not going to diminish the quality of the ES110 - I don’t think you’d be unhappy - I hope others can offer a direct comparison.

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Hello; welcome!
I had the 630 some years ago, one of three DGXs I had. It wasn't the best piano sound, but I loved its character and used the other stuff that was in there. You could actuallly de-tune that instrument which I loved.
Since then I've had the 650 the Roland FP50 (not a good choice, but it recoeded well;and the action was a lot better).
I then got the Yamaha P515 which many here love. I didn't like the treacly CFX but preferred many of the others. I sold it on because my fingers needed to go lighter, mainly.
I now have the ES110 which is basic, and I should have it for some time. The action is llight and lovely, fast too. the onboard sounds I have grown into and use most of the time now.
It is basic, the speakers let it down (inferior ti the DGxs) but other than that, it's a little beast of a piano.
I love it.
But you have loads of choices now, so enjoy the ride.


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Originally Posted by peterws
It is basic, the speakers let it down (inferior ti the DGxs) but other than that, it's a little beast of a piano.
I love it.
But you have loads of choices now, so enjoy the ride.
Are the ES110 speakers inferior to the 650, or to the DGX in general including the 630?

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The dgxs (all of them) had great speakers for such a small output. A big sound. The pianos on them too, were pretty good to my ears, and I rather miss the sound of them.
The ES110 speakers are inferior to those on the DGXs; all of them. The 650 had the best with it's tuned speaker cabinet; you got a nice feeling bass. But if you play the ES quietly . . .no. You shouldn't have to do that.
I have my own sound system which takes care of everything.


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The Kawai ES110 is a massive upgrade from a clunky P120. I had three P120's back in the day. The Kawai ES110 has the best action for under $1000 and it sounds good. I like mine a lot.

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But is it an upgrade coming from the 2008 Yamaha DGX 630, purely piano tone speaking.

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Sorry, Doc; I forgot to answer that bit. I'd say it was a tremendous upgrade from the 630, and considerably better than the 650, but initially you'll find the tone sharper than you'd be hitherto used to. You can soften the harsh tones, and clarify the softer toned variations.
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Originally Posted by RinTin
The Kawai ES110 is a massive upgrade from a clunky P120. I had three P120's back in the day. The Kawai ES110 has the best action for under $1000 and it sounds good. I like mine a lot.

I was fixating a bit on the speaker volume. Otherwise I completely agree with you!

The P120 made my hands ache so I didn’t wait long to replace it.

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Too bad the Kawai Android app doesn't work with the ES110 though

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Originally Posted by DrHanz
Too bad the Kawai Android app doesn't work with the ES110 though

The IOS apps work, not sure why android would be different- all just MIDI control AFAIK. Perhaps someone here has used that combo.


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