2022 our 25th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
38 members (daz100, Andrew E., Catlady, BlackKnight, ethanw, CraiginNZ, 36251, AndrewJCW, Animisha, 6 invisible), 787 guests, and 240 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 153
C
Coda9 Offline OP
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
C
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 153
About five weeks ago I had the lowest E bass string replaced by a maker in Canada named Grant. As it has settled in it is stunning within my 70 year old Gritrian-Steinweg 185. Sampling this one string replaced confirmed that the soundboard is glorious with amazing sustain. Instrument was gift of inheritance end it had been attentively maintained by a single owner with very little playing. About six strings have broken in the past year mostly treble. All strings except new ones are 70 years old. Since I can’t seem to locate a Steinway soon enough, i’m strongly considering having all the strings replaced… can anyone give me a rough cost estimate?
Thanks for any advice!

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 4,196
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 4,196
You will need to get local estimates for the work. Estimates will vary based on the scope of the work...replacing a single string is straight forward.

If it is re-string only, it could be one cost. A better restringing job will replace all stringing felts, address the terminations (check agraffes, capo bar, check for loose bridge pins). Related work that should be done with new strings includes replacing the damper felts, followed by damper regulation. Then you need to regulate the action to mate the hammers to the new strings. In the treble above the agraffes, the existing hammer groves are unlikely to exactly match the new string spacing causing a variety of weird tones, so strapping/shaping the hammers is also a good idea. Once it is alive and has good sustain and dynamics again, then you can look at fine voicing.

I hope this illustrates how the different areas of the piano are connected and why there are more comprehensive jobs that offer better results. With new strings only, you'll get less overall benefit from a piano that, depending on its condition, has really high potential.


Sam Bennett
PianoWorks - Atlanta Piano Dealer
Bösendorfer, Estonia, Seiler, Grotrian, Hailun
Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
Full Restoration Shop
www.PianoWorks.com
www.youtube.com/PianoWorksAtlanta
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 6,222
E
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 6,222
Special attention will be needed in evaluating the pinblock. In my experience the European blocks do not hold up well.


In a seemingly infinite universe-infinite human creativity is-seemingly possible.
According to NASA, 93% of the earth like planets possible in the known universe have yet to be formed.
Contact: toneman1@me.com
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 153
C
Coda9 Offline OP
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
C
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 153
Thank you both for warning me of the extended series o components involved with replacing strings…! Yet I will ask my regular very valued tech for an estimate. The new bass string is an inspiration and even amazing that it so perfectly blends with the other original bass strings. Because the instrument has lived his whole life in the SF Bay area and was well-maintained all this compliments it’s very positive beautiful long sustain still sounding quite impressive. So I’ll get an estimate and hopefully not faint from the potential price of a stringing.

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,998
A
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
A
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,998
Originally Posted by Coda9
The new bass string is an inspiration and even amazing that it so perfectly blends with the other original bass strings.
You know, I'd be more encouraged if the new string didn't blend in perfectly with the old strings! I'd want to hear a substantial tonal difference if I were going to replace a set of bass strings and all the work that comes with it. Maybe the soundboard isn't as great as you think if a new string sounds similar to an old one.

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 646
T
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
T
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 646
Ando mentioned something I thought of raising - replacing only the bass strings. This is not uncommon. OTOH, at 70 years, replacing all might be worthwhile. Again, consult with your tech.

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 4,362
J
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
J
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 4,362
....also it's difficult to tell the condition of the soundboard by replacing one string...

have the piano assessed by a competent technician and see what they think. If they deem the piano to be worth re-stringing and you're happy the spend the money then go ahead, I guess.


YAMAHA Artist
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 5,000
P
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
P
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 5,000
Some of the best preserved pianos I've seen were in the San Francisco area. But as stated (in essence) EVERYTHING in the piano is 70 years old and made of perishable materials. Strongly consider more than just restringing (dampers are a requirement anyway).

Peter Grey Piano Doctor


Peter W. Grey, RPT
New Hampshire Seacoast
www.seacoastpianodoctor.com
pianodoctor57@gmail.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK0T7_I_nV8
Joined: Apr 2021
Posts: 2,042
2000 Post Club Member
Online Content
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2021
Posts: 2,042
Originally Posted by Coda9
About five weeks ago I had the lowest E bass string replaced by a maker in Canada named Grant. As it has settled in it is stunning within my 70 year old Gritrian-Steinweg 185. Sampling this one string replaced confirmed that the soundboard is glorious with amazing sustain. Instrument was gift of inheritance end it had been attentively maintained by a single owner with very little playing. About six strings have broken in the past year mostly treble. All strings except new ones are 70 years old. Since I can’t seem to locate a Steinway soon enough, i’m strongly considering having all the strings replaced… can anyone give me a rough cost estimate?
Thanks for any advice!
By having all the strings replaced will the tone/timbre of the instrument be different?Would you use strings made by Grotrian?


My piano's voice is my voice to God and the great unknown universe, and to those I love.In other words a hymn.That is all, but that is enough.Life goes on, despite pain and fear.Music is beautiful,life is beautiful.


Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 4,196
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 4,196
Originally Posted by tre corda
By having all the strings replaced will the tone/timbre of the instrument be different?Would you use strings made by Grotrian?
Through the looking glass of 70 years of gradual aging, the result will be a marked change but still faithful to the originala. There are several custom bass string makers in US and Canada, like J.D.Grant, that are better suited to recreate a set of new bass strings from the originals...piano factories are mostly set up to make their current production...the Grotrian 185 is several designs previous.

FWIW, if you need a replacement for a Yamaha bass string here in the US, Yamaha suggests you call Mapes in Tennessee, and they've even given Mapes their scale specs to make it easier. Just a healthy perspective on the global market of small production. Compared to other widgets, the sum of all new pianos produced would seem like a drop in the ocean. You don't always go to the source, you go to the specialist.

As Peter Gray mentioned, San Fran on the whole seems to preserve pianos better than may climates, so my fingers are crossed for your piano. The hard part about piano repair is finding the appropriate starting and stopping point that will = satisfaction.

And as Ed McMorrow mentioned, before any of the above work is completed, the pinblock is foundational. If it's healthy, then a restring is reasonable. If it's cracked, delaminating, sagging or has wallowed holes, then a new pinblock is needed. It's not possible to see all sides of the pinblock with the harp in place, but evaluating what can be seen will usually spot obvious red flags.


Sam Bennett
PianoWorks - Atlanta Piano Dealer
Bösendorfer, Estonia, Seiler, Grotrian, Hailun
Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
Full Restoration Shop
www.PianoWorks.com
www.youtube.com/PianoWorksAtlanta

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
Piano Buyer - Read the Articles, Explore the website
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Haessler
by PianistEsq - 07/06/22 12:05 AM
Garritan CFX sustain problem
by mwf - 07/05/22 11:29 PM
First digital piano for my almost 6 year-old son.
by New2music - 07/05/22 10:54 PM
What Level is this Arrangement?
by showard - 07/05/22 09:36 PM
which piano? or other options?
by NJ_Piano_Mom - 07/05/22 08:27 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
What's Hot!!
FREE June Newsletter is Here!
--------------------
Forums RULES, Terms of Service & HELP
(updated 06/06/2022)
-------------------
Music Store Going Out of Business Sale!
---------------------
Mr. PianoWorld's Original Composition
---------------------
Sell Your Piano on our world famous Piano Forums!
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums43
Topics213,823
Posts3,205,776
Members105,732
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers

Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | MapleStreetMusicShop.com - Our store in Cornish Maine


© copyright 1997 - 2022 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5