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Hi,

I recently acquired a Roland Kiyola KF-10 and for those who are not familiar, it is a digital piano but made with solid, natural wood. I got mine in Walnut finish and have multiple concerns regarding care and maintenance as I get mixed feedback. I tried reading other threads but they're mostly dedicated to acoustic pianos which are mostly treated and glossy finish. Standard digital pianos do not have the same material as the Kiyola so the maintenance is a bit different.

1. Our temperature is at -20 deg C here in Toronto and the humidity level in my place is at 35%. I know that it's not recommended to have excessive humidity for pianos in general, but wouldn't excessively low humidity be terrible for it? What should be an ideal humidity for it?

2. Regarding placement of the piano, my apartment has a bit of awkward layout and being a corner unit, I am surrounded by lots of windows. The only place I can realistically put it is by the window that faces north, so even though there's not a lot of direct sunlight hitting it, it's still sitting by the window. Should I just buy blinds that block the windows completely?

3. I know people discourage the use of any wood cleaner, but can I probably wipe it with natural wood cleaner? Or is there anything I can apply like wood oil to give it some sort of protection from dryness and moisture penetration (for when thaw season comes)


I would appreciate any response that can be helpful. Thank you!

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First - very pretty- I love the idea of designing a piano around digital instead of copying acoustic style!

Unlike an acoustic, the wood is not involved in tone production, so more like a piece of furniture. I guess I’ve always tended toward mild cleaning products and minimal oil when needed. Not sure if this has a polyurethane or oiled finish. I don’t think I’ve ever had trouble at 35% humidity. If you have a light finish sunlight could affect it (darken?).

Now, with acoustic guitars the recommendation is 40-50% humidity. Healthier for people too. Can you humidify a little?

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You would treat like any other piece of fine furniture.

Wood doesn’t like to be to dry.

A north facing window will be fine.

https://www.karimoku60.com/care/clean/


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Agreed - there's nothing about this that makes a digital piano any different from other wooden furniture.

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3. I know people discourage the use of any wood cleaner, but can I probably wipe it with natural wood cleaner? Or is there anything I can apply like wood oil to give it some sort of protection from dryness and moisture penetration (for when thaw season comes)
From the very vague description on the website, I think they're using some form of clear coating as a finish.

In that case there shouldn't be any need to apply anything and wood oil or the like wouldn't penetrate past the finish anyway. When in doubt, you could always contact the Roland support.



Meanwhile, the KIYOLA KF-10 piano 'bench' has me scratching my head. Ergonomic design, really? It seems more like an ergonomic failure to me.
- NOT HEIGHT ADJUSTIBLE
- it's more of a stool than a bench, are you meant to scoot the entire thing around every time you play a piece with a preference for a higher or lower register?


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I've always liked the elegant minimalist look of the Kiyola. It takes the bare minimum necessary for a DP and wraps it in a clean, airy package.

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Meanwhile, the KIYOLA KF-10 piano 'bench' has me scratching my head. Ergonomic design, really? It seems more like an ergonomic failure to me.
- NOT HEIGHT ADJUSTIBLE

Isn't that just like the overwhelming majority of piano benches out there? It's so utterly standard and non-controversial, I'm actually wondering why you picked it out as odd? It's almost like calling out a keyboard for having white keys and black sharps laugh


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Isn't that just like the overwhelming majority of piano benches out there? It's so utterly standard and non-controversial, I'm actually wondering why you picked it out as odd? It's almost like calling out a keyboard for having white keys and black sharps laugh

Since when? Where?

Looking at the top results for piano bench on
- Thomann: https://www.thomann.de/gb/piano_banks_and_stools.html
- Musicstore: https://www.musicstore.de/en_DE/EUR/Keys/Piano-Benches/cat-KEYS-KEYBANKLA

Every single hit is height adjustible through a knob or lift mechanism of some type.
I'd look at more datapoints, but Thomann and Musicstore aren't exactly small no-name shops. Between the two of them, they probably represent half of the total market in Germany or something silly like that.

Still, if I want to look at the manuracturer side of things... here's the premium segment: https://www.andexinger.de/html/klavierbanke-_-stuhle.html
10/10 models are height adjustible. (Incidentally... it might be overkill, but I got myself the Andexinger model 484. It's great.)


I do not understand how not being height adjustible is acceptable, either. Not all humans are built the same, but the basics of good posture for playing a piano do not change with a person's height. Since making a piano's height adjustible would be... difficult... the only sensible conclusion is to make whatever you're sitting on adjustible instead.

If nothing else - think of the children! (lol)

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While it is disappointing that it is not adjustable, fortunately for me it is the right height and I am 5ft 5" and maybe for others it's not going to work.

The bench is the most comfortable i have ever sat on for a piano bench. You need to try it out for yourself. But again, we all have different preference and taste and what doesn't work for one doesn't always mean it's not going to work for another.

Thanks for the resposne!

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Originally Posted by steamrick
Since when? Where?

I have an Andexinger, I absolutely LOVE it. Also, I will never settle for a knob/screw type after having a quality pneumatic smile

However, I think it's mistaken to assume that "most" piano benches out there (even premium) are adjustable. By far the most I've seen around are simple platform/leg types.
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My NV-10, which is one of the most expensive DPs available, "only" comes with a non-adjustable storage bench (which is why I got an Andexinger).

If you buy a replacement bench, I can understand most people going for an adjustable. But I have to wonder how many people buy replacement benches, versus those who simply use what they originally get with their instruments.


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