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#3187207 01/20/22 10:26 PM
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For you guys out there who like me, have been waiting for this gem to come out:



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Really looking forward to the EW-425 (76 keys, enhanced organ sounds sampled from Yamaha YC). Both that and the 473 should be awesome budget gigging keyboards. Much improved piano sounds, line out ports, line in for backing tracks, big speakers, mic in with gain, effects and toggle for mute/effects on/off, not to mention built in audio interface (can record high quality digital audio including vocals without an external audio interface). And runs on batteries and weighs 16-19 lbs.

Yamaha knocked it out of the park with these 2.

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Originally Posted by waljbt74
For you guys out there who like me, have been waiting for this gem to come out:

Calling any kind of PSR a gem is an over-exaggeration and an over-statement, specifically the E series.

A used MOX is a much better option and it's probably only $100 more.


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Hey Abdol,
Actually here in Canada the cheapest used MOX I could find was above Cad$1,500.
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Originally Posted by waljbt74
Hey Abdol,
Actually here in Canada the cheapest used MOX I could find was above Cad$1,500.
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MOX8 for $1050 CAD:

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-piano-keyboard/city-of-toronto/yamaha-mox8/1606567857


There is a difference between MOX6, MOXF, and "MODX".

Your selected keyboard sells for $463, and honestly not just you're buying something of really low quality for a brand new instrument, but you won't learn much about music production either.

Also, see how a used MOX sells and how a used PSR-E sells...

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
You video

Generally speaking, the PSR series isn't worth buying except if you can't afford anything better.

Let's compare the top of the PSR (SX700 and SX900):

Bread and butter voices in MODX are better than PSRs
Effects in MODX are better than PSRs
Sound engines (FM and AWM) in MODX are better than PSRs
The key action in MODX is weighted but the entire PSR series are non-weighted
Professional features of MODX are better than PSRs

and many more...

If have $500-600 bucks to spend, I'd go with MOX or MOXF even though MOX can't load samples and MOXF needs a memroy card.


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Hi, thanks for the advice, afterall, I might as well keep using my casio CTS300 along with my daughter's YDP-S31 while saving some $ to get something better like a used MOX/MOXF...


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Originally Posted by waljbt74
Hi, thanks for the advice, afterall, I might as well keep using my casio CTS300 along with my daughter's YDP-S31 while saving some $ to get something better like a used MOX/MOXF...

Note that synths (like MOX) don't have auto-accompaniment, features if that matters to you. If you really need this feature, I'd take a look into used PSRs! A used PSR-S900 or even older will have similar values.

Take a look at this for example:

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-piano-keybo...maha-psr-s-950-keyboard-piano/1606266877

Also, these PSR series (most likely E or EW) usually don't see abuse as they've been used at home (mostly collecting dust in the basement), so buying them used is a great bargain. You can negotiate the price too.


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If I can get the e463 for 200$ cheaper than the 473 (used but in mint condition), is it worth it? What worries me the most is the 48 polyphonie on the e463 vs 64 on the e473...


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waljbt74,

I have the Yamaha PSR 373, And it has 48 note polyphony. I haven't ever experienced any dropouts of notes, with or without style accompaniments playing.
Listen to some YouTube videos and see if you hear any dropouts during some lush chords or busy notes with chords.


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Originally Posted by waljbt74
If I can get the e463 for 200$ cheaper than the 473 (used but in mint condition), is it worth it? What worries me the most is the 48 polyphonie on the e463 vs 64 on the e473...

For sample playing synths that play various voices with multiple layers ... simultaneously playing guitars, drums and a bunch of other sounds .... 64 voice is probably alright. But more is certainly nice.

For piano only .... one should be able to get by with 48. I think digital pianos back in the earlier days might have even got away with 32 note polyphony, right?

Digital pianos these days are around 256.

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The real polyphony is often half the published value because most piano samples are recorded in stereo.

I noticed with lower polyphony digital pianos (years ago now) also had shorter sample lengths and less sustain. I suspect that’s no accident.


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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
The real polyphony is often half the published value because most piano samples are recorded in stereo.

I noticed with lower polyphony digital pianos (years ago now) also had shorter sample lengths and less sustain. I suspect that’s no accident.

This is true. In addition to lower amplification capabilities, one of the reasons the lower-trim PSR keyboards sound inferior is the lack of stereo samples.

That said, I would never invest 400-600 on a bottom-line PSR. I'd get a decent keyboard controller and use the software.

Not sure why arranging capabilities are fascinating for the OP, but you can always sequence if you know enough about instruments such as drums, bass, etc.

There is also arranged software that you can use along with your midi keyboard.


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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
The real polyphony is often half the published value because most piano samples are recorded in stereo.

+1 ..... very nice comment. The unsuspecting users get caught out when they buy the items and later realise that they're not getting what they were expecting. Or didn't expect to encounter number of voices and layers limitations.

The multitrack and harddrive recording methods are nice for many situations. But also nice if a synth workstation can handle a lot of the sounds within itself. Laying out some convenient groundwork with the synth workstation.

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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
The real polyphony is often half the published value because most piano samples are recorded in stereo.

+1 ..... very nice comment. The unsuspecting users get caught out when they buy the items and later realise that they're not getting what they were expecting. Or didn't expect to encounter number of voices and layers limitations.

I suspect that the instrument of the OP's interest lacks stereo samples. So 48 could be right.


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I just took a look at the data list and confirm that 463 has mono samples, 473 has stereo samples

https://europe.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/4/1544204/psre473_en_fr_es_de_ja_dl_a0.pdf

https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/1/1170831/psre463_ew410_en_fr_es_de_dl_b0.pdf

The stupid thing is if you play e473's stereo grand voice, it has a polyphony of 32 voices but e463 is 48! I didn't read further but I think you have the same piano voice of e462 on e473 as well (logically you should otherwise it's very stupid).

Honestly isn't worth it.

*Edit: I couldn't find the same voice in e473, so it seems although e473 has stereo piano samples, in practice(reality) it has less stereo polyphony! so 48 in 463 vs 32 in 473... correct me if I'm wrong.

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Abdol ..... just checked. 473 has 64 poly. Was just checking specs.

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I guess what Abdol meant to say is that the 473 has the equivalent of 32 notes polyphony due to its samples being stereo vs mono on the 463. So the 463 has real 48 polyphonie..


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