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ES8: 3 seconds.
RD2000: 8 seconds.


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P-515: 5 Mississippis.
Samsung TV: 3 Mississippis.


Once again, what is it that we’re trying to prove here; that ‘samples’ take some time to load?

So, the ES8 takes 3 seconds to load; what does that even mean in the grand scheme of things?

Is the ES8 ‘better/worse’ because it starts up quicker/slower?

I just want to know what the whole purpose of this thread is; what are we trying to prove here?

Did we simply run out of ideas?

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Originally Posted by Pete14
P-515: 5 Mississippis.
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Living room light: 0 Mississippi(s).

Once again, what is it that we’re trying to prove here; that ‘samples’ take some time to load?

So, the ES8 takes 3 seconds to load; what does that even mean in the grand scheme of things?

Is the ES8 ‘better/worse’ because it starts up quicker/slower?

I just want to know what the whole purpose of this thread is; what are we trying to prove here?

Did we simply run out of ideas?

It seems to me that you're talking to the mirror, shaping your own enemies, or something like that.

'We' are not trying to prove anything here. By the way, before my samples are ready we talk about hours ;-)


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"How long does it take until your digital piano is ready to play from a cold start" doesn't seem like an unreasonable thing to ask about or compare, particularly since there seems to be a very wide range of answers.

If they all started within one second of being switched on, nobody would be asking about it.


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It is not an unreasonable thing, but other than a simple ‘curiosity’, let us not pretend that this is a real-world issue; because it isn’t!

We’re talking seconds here, and not hours; and if anyone here can look me in the eye and tell me that they/them/he/she would choose digital A over digital B because “A” starts up a few seconds earlier, then we’re in trouble.

So yes, this is a ‘fun’ little thread, but the minute some of you go on and actually take a timer to your digital and report back here as if a scientist in a hurry to the symposium, it makes me wonder.

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For me it's not the start time of the NU1X, I press the button before I sit down and it is ready when I am. Its the start time of the old laptop I have Pianoteq on, that is the they annoying part and what limits my use of Pianoteq.


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Ahh, but that’s a whole other issue!

You’re talking about running state-of-the-art tech (Pianoteq) on an old, beaten-up, 90s laptop, and then expecting a miracle; newsflash, it’s not Pianoteq, it’s you!

Now, the question posted here specifically asks about ‘starting time for digital pianos’; which even for an OASIS (90s) was within the ‘seconds’ realm, and I believe that ‘digital’ used an old spinning drive.

So, you see, it is not the same thing!

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Ahh, but that’s a whole other issue!

You’re talking about running state-of-the-art tech (Pianoteq) on an old, beaten-up, 90s laptop, and then expecting a miracle; newsflash, it’s not Pianoteq, it’s you!

Now, the question posted here specifically asks about ‘starting time for digital pianos’; which even for an OASIS (90s) was within the ‘seconds’ realm, and I believe that ‘digital’ used an old spinning drive.

So, you see, it is not the same thing!

Pete, are you frustrated because it's been a while since a pivot length thread does not show up around here? smile BTW, what are you waiting to start such a thread on that clack forum? smile


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On a serious note, I think the OP was concerned about the lack of phase between the piano starting to play and the GUI going live. At some point the thread changed to a startup time table. Not very useful, unless you are thinking of a Korg Kronos (more than two minutes to start IIRC) but fun anyway (IMHO).


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N2 - 9.46 seconds


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Originally Posted by Lillith
Is a few seconds either way really of any importance to anyone?
How exactly would you use the saved seconds to maximum effect?

I used to work for a famous Internet search engine company and we could easily measure how increasing the time it took to get results by even 0.1 seconds noticeably reduced usage.

I practice both piano and drums (also guitar but not lately) and it takes me probably a minute to walk downstairs to my drum kit and get set up to play versus around 15 seconds to get to the piano on the same floor and start playing. I'm much more likely to use the piano for short periods many times per day whereas with the drums I will have fewer practice sessions and try to practice for longer periods at once in order to meet my practice time goals.

So there's a good chance that faster access to the piano will increase your overall practice time, and even if it doesn't there's a lot of research showing that you learn better by practicing more frequently for shorter periods than less frequently for longer periods.

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Oh dear! All you unenlightened folk need to know on-off switches can wear out so quickly! Why bother using it? I've not got around to switching off my lappie even though I don't use Pianoteq right now.
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Roland fp-90x 5.83 seconds or so. wink

Would 7 seconds bother me? Probably not. 30 seconds? Yes.

I would consider start time a factor in purchasing.

Some of the workstations can take a long time to boot.



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I hope they are gonna fix this issue in the n2x cool


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N2 - 9.46 seconds
I hope they are gonna fix this issue in the n2x cool

I hope they fix the N2 with the N2X! cool

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N2 - 9.46 seconds
I hope they are gonna fix this issue in the n2x cool

I hope they fix the N2 with the N2X! cool

one piano repairing another? do you see it?


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Originally Posted by deafital
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N2 - 9.46 seconds
I hope they are gonna fix this issue in the n2x cool

I hope they fix the N2 with the N2X! cool

one piano repairing another? do you see it?

Perhaps I misspoke:

I hope they wipe-out the N2 with the N2X!


P.S.

I have nothing personal against the N2; it’s just business.

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Originally Posted by Lillith
I just wish the startup time of my piano were the major impediment to my becoming a good player!!

Haha, yes, me, too. smile

I must admit to being flabbergasted by some of the responses here. I don't care if it takes 60 seconds to boot up as long as it sounds great the remainder of the thousands of seconds I use it during a day. There's 3,600 seconds in each hour. 30 seconds is eight-tenths of one percent.


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I don't think it's a deal breaker in any way, but given two pianos that you like equally well in all respects, but where one takes sixty seconds to start and the other takes five seconds, wouldn't you be inclined to purchase the five second one? (Again, assuming all other factors are equal.)


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I would pick the ‘sixty-second’ pianee and simply use the extra seconds to be grateful for the fact that I have a real pianee that will be making a sound in sixty seconds’ time.

I’d also take the ‘extra’ time to honor the fallen composers that led to this symbiotic moment between man and machine, for what are we without the notes? And, for that matter, what is the machine without us?

I see the ‘extra’ seconds as a blessing; whereas you, in your hectic attempt at reaching the final stretch, see it as a curse, but I say, my dear friend, slow down and smell the roses; take the extra time now that it is available to you, for one day there will be very little time left, and you will regret not taking advantage of all the extra seconds your pianee once offered, yet you turned down.


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