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Depends on what other use cases you might have for these.
"Studio monitors" style phones would have a very neutral frequency response and and less distortion throughout the dynamic range. Such would reflect the piano very faithfully; but might not be enjoyable in other scenarios.
Many models are so popular they have been around for many years, but are typically coloured for a specific appeal.
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I need some good advice to buy a really good pair of headphones to use mainly for the digital piano, I would drive them with:
1) Roland LX 706
2) Macbook pro 14 using:
Vienna Symphonic Library * Bosendorfer Imperial * Concert D 274
VI Labs * Modern U * Italian Grand
Budget max 200/300 euros.
I love open headphones, not closed ones.
Who is kind and knowledgeable enough to help me?
One of the problems with the Roland LX700 series is the internal headphone amp. I would opt for an external amp that can power both the piano and Macbook pro, then something like the HD600 or HD660S headphones make for really comfortable cans. I think the budget for the above is too low. Some people have found headphones which better suit the Roland LX700 series pianos, so check MacMacMac's downloadable thread database (one of the top posts) and search the topics to find discussions on headphones for the Roland's.
Another possibility is to buy a used amp and used cans.
Instruments: Current - Kawai MP7SE; Past - Kawai MP7, Yamaha PSR7000 Software: Sibelius 7; Neuratron Photoscore Pro 8 Stand: K&M 18953 Table-style Stage Piano Stand
The really weak spot will be the headphone output of both your DPw and your MacBook. Do not get anything with impedance above 32. You'll waisting your money. Neither of the 2 will drive appropriately senns 600 or similar.
Get AA good headphone amp is my advice is for you.
Thanks everyone for the advice, but honestly I feel confused .. Who recommends the Akg k701/2, Beyer DT 880, Sennheiser HD 599 (thank you), who tells me to choose higher quality headphones driven with an amplifier (much higher overall price) Sorry but what does AA headphones mean? and which then amplifier ..
I am not an expert on headphones, impedances and etc ... excuse me .. I did not find Macmac's post ..
AA was a typo, writing from my smartphone. I meant just "a good headphone". My point is that headphone amp within DP are really poor and those within Audio Interfaces not much better. Good headphones tend to be hard to drive.
If you go for a pair of Senns 600 or Beyerdynamic 700/800 250 Ohms you will need a headphone amp otherwise you are wasting your money. There are good headphone amps ones, perfectly competent, from 100 to 200 $. Look at SMSL as an example. Couple that with one of the amps I suggested and you will end up spending 4/500 $ for an absolute top of the line result. Otherwise get some easier headphones, Senns HD 280 could be an example, 32 Ohms.
This is out of experience. I have both Senns HD280 and Beyerdynamic 880 250 Ohms. This is my experience:
- Playing out of my Yamaha CP88 Piano. Senns HD280 are poorish, some distortion, medium volume. Beyerdynamic just don't cut it, no volume to speak of.
- Playing out of my Steinberg UR28 USB audio card. Senns HD280 are Ok, Beyerdynamic are better sound quality but lower volume.
- Playing out of a Soundcraft Audio Mixer. Senns are OK, same as above. Beyerdynamic are glorious.
So headphone Amp does make a heck of a difference in my experience and I will buy a headphone amp , the mixer is not convenient for just playing a DP.
Have a look at your Roland manual - it will tell you the correct impedance for your instrument the number + suffix ohms. This is important as when you play your instrument the resistance (ohms is match to the headphone amplifier. Example on Kawai it is 80 ohms.
Why is it important you may ask - well as near as possible your volume control on the instrument most likely not need altering to comfortably listen. It is a real pain to keep altering this when in use on the piano. The Apple issue as I see has been covered here well, due to the clever software in it being able to detect ranges impedance of your any new phones attached, so you know they will work well on your other device.
Most good phones manufacturers sell a range of impedances just for this very purpose. Go not get wireless phones.
If I have to choose a headphone amplifier, I would like to do it with tubes, if I have to spend ... I try to make myself a system that will last me over time. Can I use a tube amplifier or not? If so, which models or brands do you recommend?
You certainly can although the benefit is questionable. Look at the schiit stuff (yes, that's what it's called). Excellent price performance ratio. Otherwise tube stuff can be very expensive. Example https://www.schiit.com/products/vali-3.
Hi OldSoul, don't allow this to become more confusing than it really is. Everybody will make recommendations based on good faith and experience and there's hundreds of good brands and headphones out there.
They all differ slightly and there's people spend hours trying to distinguish between them. If you want to see it, look at the Head-Fi website (but don't say I haven't warned you).
My advice, and I do have a few pairs of very good headphones, is just to pick a budget and then pick a brand. As long as you stay with the likes of Sennheiser (made just down the road from me incidentally), Beyer Dynamic, AKG and the like, you won't go far wrong. Stay with lower impedance (up to around 80 ohms) so you have enough volume.
If you want a recommendation from me, I'd say go for Beyer Dynamic DT880's in 32 ohms. I have them in 600 ohm and they're plenty loud enough on my Kawai without an amp. They're also extremely comfortable.
The thing to remember is that the differences between the good brands are fairly small and more a matter of preference than anything.
Finally, yes you can always use valve (tube) headphone amps, I have one that I built myself 😀 . Again, the differences between any well designed amp is fairly slim and unless you're planning to use it for dedicated listening, rather than listening to yourself playing, may not be worth stressing over.
BTW this subject has been done to death on here, so if you wish to loose hours of your life, try searching.
Enjoy the experience of choosing. Don't let it stress you.
I'd be a far better pianist if I spent the time I'm on this forum playing my piano instead.
If I have to choose a headphone amplifier, I would like to do it with tubes, if I have to spend ...(1) I try to make myself a system that will last me over time. (2) Can I use a tube amplifier or not? If so, which models or brands do you recommend?
(1) Question: Why do you think that a tube headphone amp will last you for longer than a solid-state headphone amp?
(2) Answer: Tubes are inherently better suited to high-impedance loads, than solid-state devices.
However, since the power requirements of headphones are quite low (high-impedance headphones need the same power as low-impedance headphones -- higher voltage, but at lower current), it's not hard to design solid-state circuits that work well for high-impedance headphones.
. Charles --------------------------- PX-350 / microKorg XL+ / Pianoteq
If this is OP's first set of "serious" cans perhaps simplify and choose a model not requiring external amping, for example, HD599. I had those for a long time; they were good but had limited dynamic range; also accentuating certain frequencies.