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I was looking at this:

2020 HUION KAMVAS 22 Plus Graphics ...essure Tilt Adjustable Stand - 21.5inch

It's kind of spendy, but it's pretty, large, and it seems like it might work with the USB-A out from the piano (for piano controls), and the USB-C from my Note (for sheet music).

Any thoughts? Does anyone know a good app for Android phone that does sheet music well?

Obviously, I need to do a bit more research, but it would be nice to get in the ballpark, so to speak.


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How would you use the USB-A for piano controls?

Looks like an interesting option, especially if you already have a Note with USB-C video and DeX support.

On Android, I haven't seen anything that is better than Mobile Sheets Pro. It's extremely full featured, has native pen support for annotations, cloud backup/sync and also supports pedals/keyboard for page turns.


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isn't it too big ? I get you want both sheets displayed at once, but I know that, personally, I would not buy a 22" LCD to display sheet music.
I would get a much cheaper (big) tablet to display one sheet at a time, and if I'd spend $500 I would get a e-ink one (Onyx Boox Max or equivalent).
of course that's just me, and I'm sure your solution works perfectly well.

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Originally Posted by Gombessa
How would you use the USB-A for piano controls?

Looks like an interesting option, especially if you already have a Note with USB-C video and DeX support.

On Android, I haven't seen anything that is better than Mobile Sheets Pro. It's extremely full featured, has native pen support for annotations, cloud backup/sync and also supports pedals/keyboard for page turns.

The CA99 has USB-A out, and its little video screen is supposed to be able to port to a large tablet. However, I am not sure with this one. They call it a "tablet", but it's looking like it's really a monitor. It doesn't have its own OS. I'll have to see if it will still work.

Yep, my Note (actually Note 10+) has 1080p (the native resolution of the tablet) available, and it's switchable very easily.

Unfortunately, I believe Mobile Sheets Pro is only for tablets and not phones. So I'm doubtful I could run it on my Note. If anyone knows differently, please let me know.

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isn't it too big ? I get you want both sheets displayed at once, but I know that, personally, I would not buy a 22" LCD to display sheet music.
Personally, I have never encountered a situation at work or at home when my computer monitor was too big. I use my living room 60-inch TV as my computer monitor, and I'm trying to get a 4k 4-way 42-inch monitor for my office. For me, bigger is always better.


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Originally Posted by Nigo
I would get a much cheaper (big) tablet to display one sheet at a time, and if I'd spend $500 I would get a e-ink one (Onyx Boox Max or equivalent).
of course that's just me, and I'm sure your solution works perfectly well.

Hmmm...I've never even heard of e-ink until your post. Interesting. Is the main appeal that it's low-power? I'm not sure that is an issue in my living room. My piano already has to be plugged in, so I'm not sure if this is worth not being able to use it for other things (I assume it's just a black and white screen).


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Originally Posted by nofearengineer
Originally Posted by Nigo
I would get a much cheaper (big) tablet to display one sheet at a time, and if I'd spend $500 I would get a e-ink one (Onyx Boox Max or equivalent).
of course that's just me, and I'm sure your solution works perfectly well.

Hmmm...I've never even heard of e-ink until your post. Interesting. Is the main appeal that it's low-power? I'm not sure that is an issue in my living room. My piano already has to be plugged in, so I'm not sure if this is worth not being able to use it for other things (I assume it's just a black and white screen).

eInk is a completely different screen technology than that used on regular displays. It is not backlit like regular displays and so, it is easier on the eyes as it is not beaming light into the eyes.

Here is an article on how it works:

https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-e-ink-2740879

The Kindle readers are all eInk displays. eInk panels are much lighter than regular displays. I’ve read many books on my Kindle. The device is so light that I can hold it over my head with one hand and turn pages using dedicated buttons.

The refresh rate of eInk displays is much slower than with standard displays.

One advantage is that eInk displays look much more like paper than standard screens, and the device consumes very little power, so you don’t have to charge the device as often.

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By the way, there is a thread on here where I mention the GVIDO solution for sheet music. It uses two 13” eInk displays. Sadly, it looks like they’re shutting down.

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Originally Posted by nofearengineer
Hmmm...I've never even heard of e-ink until your post. Interesting. Is the main appeal that it's low-power? I'm not sure that is an issue in my living room. My piano already has to be plugged in, so I'm not sure if this is worth not being able to use it for other things (I assume it's just a black and white screen).
NO, the main appeal if that's it's NOT a LCD screen, and it doesn't throw any light at you. Reading on e-ink without backlight is exactly like reading paper.
try to read a ebook on any Kindle (or equivalent) and on a tablet and you'll know what I mean
now, I know that many use standard tablets nowadays and it certainly have its advantages

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Honestly, I have never seen one of these screens with my own eyes. I need to get out more lol (too busy working while looking at LCD screens I suspect!).

The thing that concerns me though is not being able to use it for work as well if it's just black and white. Having a Note, I've started using it for taking notes and meeting minutes, but I'm finding it's just too small and using the stylus slow.


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Originally Posted by nofearengineer
The CA99 has USB-A out, and its little video screen is supposed to be able to port to a large tablet. However, I am not sure with this one. They call it a "tablet", but it's looking like it's really a monitor. It doesn't have its own OS. I'll have to see if it will still work.

If you're saying you think the CA99 will output the video from its control screen to a larger display via USB-A, I'm 99% sure that isn't how it works. I do believe Kawai has a control app available for this generation of device, but my guess is that it connects via Bluetooth (likely BLE using BT MIDI) and transmits commands to the piano wirelessly?

Originally Posted by nofearengineer
Unfortunately, I believe Mobile Sheets Pro is only for tablets and not phones. So I'm doubtful I could run it on my Note. If anyone knows differently, please let me know.


Mobilesheets runs on any Android device. It certainly doesn't LOOK good on a phone and all the text and UI is crammed and unusable, but it works fine, including for display of sheet music and page turns. On Android, the UI formatting is largely controlled by DPI, so if you run it in DeX mode, it should look and work fine on a large display.

Here's Mobile Sheets on my Pixel 6 (phone) - controls are compressed and not easily usable but it's fine sized up for sheet music display.
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And on my Samsung Tablet in DeX mode (tablet) - notice it goes to landscape in DeX, where you can set it to show two sheets side by side.
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Maybe the best thing about Mobile Sheets Pro is that it's nearly infinitely customizable. It's a true "Windows mindset" kind of app, I feel like it's made by a developer musician for a developer musician. Want to change the background color? You can do that. Auto-crop all pages or per-page? You can do that too. Multiple file locations? Supports that. Font size? Color, pedal, mouse click, CPU wake behavior? There are settings for all of those. It even has built in set-lists, metronome, video player, multi-device display and orchestra/conductor controls. You can even change between calling them "songs" or "pieces" laugh

Through Mobile Sheets, I have my music synced across 2 tablets and 3 phones, including a ChromeOS device permanently seated at my DP. I can make annotations to music and add new pieces on any device, and it syncs over the cloud (no subscription required) to all my other devices. So if I bring a spare tablet or my phone to another piano, my music is right there. Great for convenience and ensuring multiple levels of backup/redundancy.


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Originally Posted by nofearengineer
Unfortunately, I believe Mobile Sheets Pro is only for tablets and not phones. So I'm doubtful I could run it on my Note. If anyone knows differently, please let me know

I run it on an android tablet, a fairly new Samsung. I'll get more details later when I'm home.

If you have any doubts why not try the free version and try it.

I also used to use Orpheus until it became subscription based recently and then I uninstalled it.

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Originally Posted by Gombessa
If you're saying you think the CA99 will output the video from its control screen to a larger display via USB-A, I'm 99% sure that isn't how it works. I do believe Kawai has a control app available for this generation of device, but my guess is that it connects via Bluetooth (likely BLE using BT MIDI) and transmits commands to the piano wirelessly?

Upon a careful re-read of the owner's manual, I think you're right. "Piano Remote" is Kawai's app. But yes, I would still like to be able to control the piano from a touch screen tablet. I don't think the e-ink tablets will do that? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Mobilesheets runs on any Android device.

I might have been looking at a previous version...or the web page was misleading, or just plain wrong.

Originally Posted by Gombessa
Through Mobile Sheets, I have my music synced across 2 tablets and 3 phones, including a ChromeOS device permanently seated at my DP. I can make annotations to music and add new pieces on any device, and it syncs over the cloud (no subscription required) to all my other devices. So if I bring a spare tablet or my phone to another piano, my music is right there. Great for convenience and ensuring multiple levels of backup/redundancy.

Sounds crazy, but kind of confirms that whatever I dream up, it can be accomplished. Thank you.


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I’m a great supporter of digitizing music scores. I can bring my 8 ounce iPad to a gig and have thousands of lead sheets available. This is wonderful. Emancipating. I’ve used this for the last ten years.

But this is not without its problems. It takes a shitload of work to make this happen. Yes, I said “s&&&load”! Do you want to spend the next year getting your library into your tablet?

So, there may come a time when all the old compositions (that have passed their ownership due dates) are easily available in digital form and organized as a library. At that time it may become advantageous to change from paper to silicon. But I haven’t found this worthwhile in my home. Where it is still easier to go to my paper library, pull out a book, and play it.

Yes, this is definitely an old fart comment! Lol.

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Do you want to spend the next year getting your library into your tablet?

Luckily, I don't have much of a library yet hehe.


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I use a samsung tablet and got a few score readers free and they all work via bluetooth both for page turn and reading. But if you go that way you cannot use the remote app at the same time


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