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Does the N1X have more sensors for key movement than the NU1X. What does the NU1X miss? Does the N1X send that data out via MIDI or does it only matter for the internal sound engine?

Any update of the NU1X expected soon?

The N1X doesn't have more key sensors but it has additional hammers sensors that the NU1X lacks. This is suppose to make the N1X more precise and accurate. I don't know how big the difference is in real life but the hammer sensors prevent the NU1X to get the infamous "loud note"-issue that many owners of the NU1X has reported, i. e an imperfectness in the velocity reading the can make notes to suddenly get loud without hitting a key harder.

Thanks! So they both can do the same things with key off velocity and the fancy resonance stuff with a partial key off or keeping them held down… but if I remember reading correctly, they don’t send that data with any variability via MIDI so you only hear those things with the internal sound.

Think it’s still a good time to buy a NU1X or will an upgrade probably come soon ?

Always a good time to buy a NU1x.

Yamaha still has the N2 on the market so they don't seem to update these frequently. . .

Yes, as far as I know there is no difference in that regard. The ability to read key/damper positions probably why Yamaha has chosen to go with key sensors in the NU1X instead of hammer sensors only like in Kawais novus series. And the Yamaha hybrids do indeed send damper position data via MIDI. However, the standard MIDI protocol doesn't support it so it's sent with the Yamaha Disklavier XP protocol and as far as I know the only external program/VST that support this is Pianoteq.

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Do you know if they updated the sound engine on the Clp785 vs the NU1X? Seems people say the NU1X still sounds better. I think it does lack the binaural Bosendorfer.. but thought there might be more differences since the 785 boasts more velocity layers than their previous model.

I guess the N1X is the same as the NU1X?

I guess thats the real grand expression 2, extra velocity layers, and binaural Bosendorfer? I read both have the VRM. But again, people seem to still like the NU1X sound better? Nice, if so! Plus there are always VSTs.

The NU1X no longer has the "loud notes" problem since software version v2.10 and it is not proven that the source of the problem is a lack of sensors. I own a NU1X purchased this year and have not experienced this problem at any time.


As far as I know, this protocol does not apply to the NU1X, which uses standard MIDI.

That's good to hear, the NU1X is a great instrument and if the problem is solved it's great news.

There are no official sources that says that N1/N1X send Disklavier XP data either. This is something I discovered in Pianoteq when my piano (N1) sent strange "Aftertouch" data when I released a key slowly. I switched to the Disklavier XP dialect in Pianoteq and now sent "Damper position" instead and suddenly the note was rounded off in a similar (but not as obvious) way as the built in sound when releasing key slowly. May I ask, what messages does your NU1X send when you release a key slowly?

As you say, the biggest difference is suposed to be the Bösendorfer sound with a new binaural sampling. I don't know how different the CFX sound is though.

When I change the MIDI dialect in Pianoteq, there is no change. I think it only affects N1(X), N2 and N3(X).

If the NU1 was released in 2010 and was on sale until 2017, well, the NU1X would have almost 3 years left.... Now seriously, Yamaha may make changes earlier but so far these renovations are very slow and the models hold a long time on the market.The Avantgrand models are closely related to the Silent and Transacoustic which are not renewed often either. If any series or update of the latter is released, a new Avantgrand will be released. Generally, these 3 series are usually given features that have been tried and tested on the Clavinova before.
I expect a future NU1X? or whatever it's called with some minimal redesign to the cabinet, some change to the speakers and with the latest Clavinova sounds. I don't think they will change the keyboard (it's the same at least since the DUP-8 of 2000, almost entirely made of wood and based on the classic vertical action of the 19th century, there is not much to innovate unless they put more plastic parts...), I don't think Yamaha will put more sensors either, so far with the Silent, transacoustic and hybrid verticals they have only used the key sensor

I would like to have your opinion on the latest Clavinova sounds. Because I don't appreciate them. How would you characterize them in relation to the old ones?

As far as the pure sound is concerned, I like the ydp more than the CLP 7 series. What I do like is that you can now adjust the brightness.

I’m curious in regards to those 700 sample vs the NU1X… that and I guess the engine improvements.. I don’t think the NU1X has grand expression 2 or the additional velocity layers the 700 has..maybe VRM? But are they noticeably better? Not looking to VST right away.