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Good point. Or maybe there are more ES920 around because it's cheaper and less niche. I don't know
MP11 is a VERY specific thing. Way too heavy to be a real stage piano (there is MP7 for that), way too complex/ugly to be a portable home DP (the CA65 didn't cost much more), doesn't have speaker and more importantly, (almost) not updated for a decade
the ES920 is the "new" thing. When the MP11 came out the ES6 was still around

I'd probably be happy with a ES920, but RHIII action doesn't seem like the way to go compared to GF.

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Originally Posted by Nigo
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Good point. Or maybe there are more ES920 around because it's cheaper and less niche. I don't know
MP11 is a VERY specific thing. Way too heavy to be a real stage piano (there is MP7 for that), way too complex/ugly to be a portable home DP (the CA65 didn't cost much more), doesn't have speaker and more importantly, (almost) not updated for a decade
the ES920 is the "new" thing. When the MP11 came out the ES6 was still around

The look is a personal taste. In my opinion, MP7SE and 11SE are the most gorgeous stage instruments in the market. But you are referring to few things that are specific to stage pianos:

1- MP11SE is a stage piano with an action closer to a real grand piano than any other stage piano in the market. It's heavy because of its action (length of the keys and the action mechanics)
2- It is not heavy for a stage piano that feels like a grand piano
3- It's not complex and not ugly
4- Stage pianos shouldn't have speakers

Some of the issues that are mentioned here are rare and others can be addressed easily. I have had my MP7SE and never had any problem with it so far, but I'm sure it will develop faulty keys at one point, because the rubbers under the keys will fall apart eventually


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I'm not quite sure if you can store the MP11SE as easily as you seem to assume: the box, in which it was delivered, said: don't put it in a vertical position. So I'd double-check if you can store it the way you currently intend. Also, non-upright-DPs usually don't come with home service during warranty. You'd have to bring that beast to the technician if anything is wrong with it.

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Hi Marc345,

Your statement regarding home service during Kawai's 5-year Warranty period for their Stage Piano's is factually incorrect, at least in the UK, as I've had a technician visit my home when necessary.

I can't, of course, speak for the situation in Germany or other marketplaces around the World. However, I would be surprised if it differs throughout much of Europe given that the EU inheritated much of its consumer protection legislation from the UK during the time of our 40+ year membership and is reflected in Kawai's warranty accordingly. The USA, I understand, is different and consumer legislation can vary from State to State.

In any event I suggest that the OP verifies the position with their local Kawai distributor and chosen dealership before purchase. Be aware that purchasing outside of your marketplace's official distribution channel may negate Kawai's warranty terms, dependant on the provisions afforded by local legislation.

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Originally Posted by Marc345
I'm not quite sure if you can store the MP11SE as easily as you seem to assume: the box, in which it was delivered, said: don't put it in a vertical position. So I'd double-check if you can store it the way you currently intend. Also, non-upright-DPs usually don't come with home service during warranty. You'd have to bring that beast to the technician if anything is wrong with it.

Yeah, I'm aware of the vertical position issue. The idea was to store it on the floor or on a bed in an empty room.

I didn't know about the technician for non upright's... That doesn't sound good. Also, I might have dreamt of it, but I think I read someone complaining that Kawai said some 3 years warranty was not applicable because the instrument was built in 2017. But I'm not sure whether this is true.

I'm afraid I've decided I'm not getting a CA79/99. I was considering ordering the MP11se this week. Either that or nothing, as I need to remove the beast when I'm away for long periods.

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Originally Posted by srodrigo
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I'm not quite sure if you can store the MP11SE as easily as you seem to assume: the box, in which it was delivered, said: don't put it in a vertical position. So I'd double-check if you can store it the way you currently intend. Also, non-upright-DPs usually don't come with home service during warranty. You'd have to bring that beast to the technician if anything is wrong with it.

Yeah, I'm aware of the vertical position issue. The idea was to store it on the floor or on a bed in an empty room.

I didn't know about the technician for non upright's... That doesn't sound good. Also, I might have dreamt of it, but I think I read someone complaining that Kawai said some 3 years warranty was not applicable because the instrument was built in 2017. But I'm not sure whether this is true.

I'm afraid I've decided I'm not getting a CA79/99. I was considering ordering the MP11se this week. Either that or nothing, as I need to remove the beast when I'm away for long periods.

People say many things. Kawai still manufactures MP11SE as of speaking today!

MP11SE was introduced in 2017...

Now if I go and order an MP11SE and get it tomorrow, is Kawai going to say we manufactured it in 2017 and we won't offer a warranty on it anymore?!!!


It comes with a warranty and it is valid for 3 yeras as long as you buy it from an official Kawai dealer.


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I'm not quite sure if you can store the MP11SE as easily as you seem to assume: the box, in which it was delivered, said: don't put it in a vertical position. So I'd double-check if you can store it the way you currently intend. Also, non-upright-DPs usually don't come with home service during warranty. You'd have to bring that beast to the technician if anything is wrong with it.

Yeah, I'm aware of the vertical position issue. The idea was to store it on the floor or on a bed in an empty room.

I didn't know about the technician for non upright's... That doesn't sound good. Also, I might have dreamt of it, but I think I read someone complaining that Kawai said some 3 years warranty was not applicable because the instrument was built in 2017. But I'm not sure whether this is true.

I'm afraid I've decided I'm not getting a CA79/99. I was considering ordering the MP11se this week. Either that or nothing, as I need to remove the beast when I'm away for long periods.

People say many things. Kawai still manufactures MP11SE as of speaking today!

MP11SE was introduced in 2017...

Now if I go and order an MP11SE and get it tomorrow, is Kawai going to say we manufactured it in 2017 and we won't offer a warranty on it anymore?!!!


It comes with a warranty and it is valid for 3 yeras as long as you buy it from an official Kawai dealer.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, to be honest. The warranty should be fine.

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Thanks everyone for your advice smile I've decided to get the MP11se, so I can remove it from the living room when I'm abroad for 6+ months. The savings can go into a better/newer DP in the future when I have my own space.

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It's been a week since I got the beast home. So far so good. The action is good enough to do my main practice, and the sound is great. Happy with the purchase.

I've noticed that some keys are a bit louder when released than others. But I recall reading other people noticing this, so it doesn't seem like a problem?

I play with my AKG702, which sound quite well. I might be looking into speakers below 300 euros. After researching on this forum, it looks like iLoud Micro could be a good option? I don't need to fill large rooms or anything like that, just hear what I'm playing with a decent sound. I saw some users going for Edifier R1280T, R1700BT or R1850DB. But on some comparisons, the iLoud sounded better to my ears.

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