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I can identify any interval by ear up to an octave but I'm having trouble hearing the minor ninth. I keep confusing it with the major seventh. I know one is larger than an octave and the other smaller but it's not helping me.

The way I initially learned the intervals was to hear some known tune. I was wondering whether anyone knows a tune with a minor ninth that I could use as a model for hearing it.

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Can you hear it as a minor second with some additional distance between the notes?

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Originally Posted by ranjit
Can you hear it as a minor second with some additional distance between the notes?
Not really. I can hear the major 9th as the same as a major 2nd but not so with the minor 9th. The semitone away from the octave confuses me.

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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Not really. I can hear the major 9th as the same as a major 2nd but not so with the minor 9th. The semitone away from the octave confuses me.


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It is easier to hear intervals when they are contextualized within a key center as opposed to in isolation. This way you can associate them with tendencies to resolve to one of the other notes of the key.

Every note has a tendency but the best example is the tendency ti to do (B to C in the key of C). Play an ascending C major scale on the piano and stop at B. You will hear the very strong tendency of the B to want to resolve to C.

Another strong tendency is fa to mi (F to E).

Once you learn the tendencies of all chromatic pitches, you arrive at a kind of key-dependent perfect pitch where you can identify any pitch (and therefore any interval). (This can be an extremely fun party trick to demonstrate your "perfect pitch")

I have a lesson (requires paid subscription) on tendency tone ear training here:

https://www.jazzpianoonline.com/courses/tendency-tones-ear-training

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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
I was wondering whether anyone knows a tune with a minor ninth that I could use as a model for hearing it.
Very surprised to hear someone with this question! But yeah, I can think of one example... in the very first few seconds of this clip you'll Elton play a minor 9th interval with his right hand, over a sort of implied Eb chord.



The major 7th interval is a lot more common. You'll find you very rarely come across this interval in music.

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A thought. Try hearing an octave - for me, I’d use the first 2 notes from “Over the Rainbow “ - then sing or hear/audiate a half step up. I recall using this method for a major 7th in the past. Hopefully over time with repeated practice the minor 9th will become internalized.

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Does anyone find themselves getting mixed between a tritone and a minor 6th?

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0.25 and others. Famous in their time. Very George.

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