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Originally Posted by Ajax69
I have some extensive travelling coming up 2022 and would love to have the possibility to use hotel room evenings for piano practicing. I have only two requirements:

- Small. Meaning full size keys, but probably around 61 - 64 of them.

- As "real piano-like" key action as possible.

Will only be playing through head phones.

Good build quality is extra points. Budget is max 2.000 €. (But if there's a real GEM at 2.500€ I could consider that too).

Appreciate your input.

I've ordered a Studio Logic SL73 as a gigging keyboard to use backing a singer/guitarist. Fingers crossed, it's due to arrive this Friday. It has a Fatar hammer weighted action which some have reported as heavy/sluggish, but I'm use to weighted actions and acoustic pianos so hoping it will be fine for its intended use. I'll report back after I've spent some time with it. Hoping I've made a wise choice – have bought it without laying my hands on one!

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Originally Posted by Ajax69
Maybe I should add Studiologic Numa X Piano 73 also?

Not many user reports, not often found in stores to test.
Vox Continental 61/73?

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Maybe I should add Studiologic Numa X Piano 73 also?

Not many user reports, not often found in stores to test.
Vox Continental 61/73?

Yeah, I've been thinking 'bout that too. How's the action on the Vox?


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Maybe I should add Studiologic Numa X Piano 73 also?

Not many user reports, not often found in stores to test.
Vox Continental 61/73?

Yeah, I've been thinking 'bout that too. How's the action on the Vox?

And by action I mean "DP action". I know it's got waterfall and semi weighted keys. But how are they for "piano playing". Spongy, mushy, sloppy, wierd, .... wink ? Anyone tried it out?

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Originally Posted by Abdol
The difference between 7 and 8 octaves isn't much in terms of weight and dimensions, but if the OP picks something like RD-64, then it will be significantly lighter.

There are actually 73s--and even 88s!--that are lighter than the RD-64's 28.3 lbs.

But as for the difference in weight and dimensions between 73 and 88... it's not necessarily insiginificant...

...dimensions: The Yamaha P-121 and P-125 (73 and 88 key versions of the same board, with the same action and general chassis design) are 43.9 and 52.2 inches respectively. That 8+ inches can make a big difference, for example, in whether the thing can fit across the back seat of a car.

...weight: It's actually not uncommon for the 73 version to use a different action, to further maximize portability, making the weight difference larger than you'd otherwise expect. I mentioned that the Dexibell he is looking at is almost 40 lbs in 88 keys, and only about 23 lbs in 73 keys. Also, Yamaha's CP73 is under 29 lbs, the CP88 is 41 lbs. Nord Stage 3 is 27.5 lbs in its 73-key version, but 41.8 lbs in its 88 key version (and the old Nord Piano 2 had a similar difference). But even when the 73 and 88 use the same action, it can still be a 6-7 lb difference (Nord Piano 5, Korg SV2/Grandstage/Kronos, Kurzweil Forte 7... though the Kurz is a 76).

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What the OP is looking for is very niche. Almost everyone who buys weighted/scaled keyboards never travels long distances with their gears... and if they do, like bands, they don't care much about it as it's part of their business.
I don't know how nichey it is overall, but questions about travel keyboards (or otherwise sub-88 boards that still have good actions) seem to come up with some frequency on this board. (And the OP is indeed looking at it for "hotel room evenings for piano practicing" and alreadys owns 88s, so if he's willing to consider 73s, I guess his answer to your question--"So your problem is just 1 octave?"--has to be "Yup!")

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I've ordered a Studio Logic SL73 as a gigging keyboard to use backing a singer/guitarist.
What will you be using as a sound source?

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Originally Posted by Ajax69
Maybe I should add Studiologic Numa X Piano 73 also?

Not many user reports, not often found in stores to test.
In the U.S. at least, they're not shipping yet. (I think it's supposed to be first quarter 2022?)

Originally Posted by Ajax69
How's the action on the Vox?
As non-hammer actions go, it's among the best I've played. It also has a convenient front panel "dynamics" knob, such that if the response isn't quite working for the repertoire at hand, you can easily tweak it somewhat. If I wanted something super lightweight with at least a reasonably acceptable piano action (understanding it's not going to feel like a hammer action), it would probably be my pick. The reason I only say "probably" is that I haven't played the Dexibell S1, which looks like it might be a good contender for that as well.

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[quote=Abdol]......
As non-hammer actions go, it's among the best I've played. It also has a convenient front panel "dynamics" knob, such that if the response isn't quite working for the repertoire at hand, you can easily tweak it somewhat. If I wanted something super lightweight with at least a reasonably acceptable piano action (understanding it's not going to feel like a hammer action), it would probably be my pick. The reason I only say "probably" is that I haven't played the Dexibell S1, which looks like it might be a good contender for that as well.

Thanks. It sounds interesting. But - seems to be out of stock all over the place... frown (I'm in Europe...)

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OK, I didn't know P-125 comes in 73 keys too! That's pretty much the same weight and size as RD-64


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Just pulled the trigger on a Vox Continental 73 which I happended to find in an online store in Germany. Nothing is done until it's done, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the delivery will actually happen.

Big thanks to everyone helping me in this process! You're all so great!

Stay safe and Merry X-mas to you all.


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I've ordered a Studio Logic SL73 as a gigging keyboard to use backing a singer/guitarist.
What will you be using as a sound source?

I'll be using a Mac Book Pro (the Studio Logic SL73 has an optional laptop shelf accessory) running UVI Workstation based instruments (Grand and Upright pianos & Rhodes mainly), and maybe some pianos/keys in the Plogue Sforzando player. Nothing too complicated, but I may look into MainStage if I need more control & flexibility.

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Depends on what you define as portable and what define as decent.

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Depends on what you define as portable and what define as decent.

Yes, of course. Portable to me was around 61 keys and size accordingly. Weight hopefully less than 30 punds (but could stretch to 35).

Decent action is harder to quantify, but I was hoping for something along the lines of RH3 (Korg) or "Responsive Hammer III action" (Kawai MP7SE). Both of which I have positive experience with.

As for size I ended up with 73 keys, but a real light weigther on 18,5 pounds. Good action turned out to be much harder to find. In my case I opted for "semi-weighted" (whatever that is... ), water fall keys, which is more of an organ key bed, but still had rather good internet reviews. It's a compromize I'm willing to make since I also have a hammond XK-3c that I'm very slowly learning to play.

The price was also well within my range.

And there is a factor of "quality build", "cool", almost a bit "iconic" that also appealed to me. (All this according to my own perception)

So this choice - Vox Continental 73 - feels like a very good solution to me.

It however turned out extremely hard to find. Almost as if it was a discontinued product line. I found one though, in Germany. Searched the firm on internet for warnings, but found only good reviews regarding delivery, customer support and refunding in case of shipping damage. I called them yesterday and actually found a live person to talk to wink. Who told med they had two Vox C's in stock. Whereupon I promptly purchsed one of them and made my payment through bank money transfer. This was yesterday afternoon. This morning however I got an email saying: "Dear Peter, I'm sorry to say that we're out of stock on the Vox. Nor do we know if and when we will have a new one."

Which of course made me say "[censored]!!!"

It hovewer turned out that they were out of stock because I and some other customer had bought the two last ones rather simultaneously. So mine is now (hopefully) in transit to me... wink

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I'd never heard of the Vox Continental before. Apparently it is in stock in the US: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...l-73-key-performance-keyboard-with-stand


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I'd never heard of the Vox Continental before. Apparently it is in stock in the US: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...l-73-key-performance-keyboard-with-stand

Yes, I've seen that on Sweetwater also. Problem buying from US when in EU is custom fees. Plus SW have a base price that's about 30% higher than what I found here in EU. So would be a nogo for me.

Otherwise heard only very good things about Sweetwater. Wish they had a European office.

PS. Sorry - see now that they have the stand included. So their price is NOT higher. But customs fees/VAT still is a show stopper in Sweden when at this pricelevel.

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I understand your frustration. When I was looking for a Kawai CA series it seemed everyone in Europe had them in stock and no one in the US had them in stock. But Kawai will not warranty a European-purchased DP in the USA so that was not going to work.


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I understand your frustration. When I was looking for a Kawai CA series it seemed everyone in Europe had them in stock and no one in the US had them in stock. But Kawai will not warranty a European-purchased DP in the USA so that was not going to work.

Cest lá vie... wink


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Of the portable slabs that I've played, the Yamaha P-515 is the closest to an acoustic piano. Also, I suggest caution with keyboards that are under 88 notes. You'll be surprised how quickly you run out of notes.


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Of the portable slabs that I've played, the Yamaha P-515 is the closest to an acoustic piano. Also, I suggest caution with keyboards that are under 88 notes. You'll be surprised how quickly you run out of notes.

Yes, it seems fantastic. A bit too heavy for me, though.


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Hace you checke out the Casio PSX-1100. very light?


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Hace you checke out the Casio PSX-1100. very light?

Nope. I've opted for <74 keys. And found a 73 key Vox that's a measely 8,4 kg. Just trying to get it delivered to me, which seems to be not so easy.


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Kawai ES110 has a great action.
I also have the little CT-S1 and set the Touch to Heavy


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