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#3172734 11/23/21 12:40 AM
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Using a LH Arpeggio formula..1 5 9...this is for ballads etc..it gives you the option of using notes each side of the 9th depending on the feel of the song foe example
C G D G C or C G D G E. for Cmajor.
My question is what formula would readers use for say
C7 and Cmaj7?

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play the seventh in place of the octave or 9th?

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Keep the left hand the same but play the 7th in the right hand to bring across the desired chord quality.


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LOL the permutations are endless are they not! @Jazz the OP is talking about the left hand!

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I know there is different ways always but for brain to fingers to keys I was trying to keep it as similair as possible.
So C7 ..C G D Bf C G ?
CM7 C G D B C G ?

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Hi

What you've suggested is fine. However any formula you come up with will have limitations as the duration of the chord and the time signature will make the formula difficult to use in some circumstances.

In which case you'll have to improvise a bit or have everything worked out in advance. And then the reason for having a formula in the first place starts to get a bit hazy!

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Take your point Simon..these formulas are fine in a triad but extensions to that need to be played.
This is in 4/4 time.
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@Willy - Not wishing to jump to other aspects from your question or invalidate it but ... I do not think so 4/4 is at all valid, but you can play arpeggiated base lines in any time signature or as a walking base including adding extensions or accidentals to suite the playing at the time.
What your question was asking was ... how to incorporate a 7th M7th, but to be frank, I prefer to inverted structures that sound better and more complimentary than simply running up/down from root. The only reason I can think of as to why one would formulate arpeggios is in an attempt to not learn scales for other keys????

Or have we now moved on from the original with question creep?


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Ta Andy....i apologise putting in 6 notes for a 4/4 time signature..Trying to confuse myself and others...anythings possible hey...

Actually have found my answer


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No Worries Willy, only here to glean info and assist our fellow brother and sisters, usually I am no help to anyone lol. but Happy days hey smile

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No kilomiter really appreciate any help ..you do help..dont stop.
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I agree with willywagtail, keep helping, don't stop. I have been following this post with interest. The more one can learn about arpeggios the better.

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@Willy, once past 12 mins in vid he is basically not saying he is using altered chords which jazz players use all the time. I am always on the hunt for music which lends itself to these cocktail alterations and not to be confused with your formula approach they are what they are but not used all of the time. Also earlier he could used rootless phrasing rather than plugging away with the root all of the time this opens up not only the left hand for these alterations but can allow the right hand to influence and add colour to the piece. The only caveat with rootless voicings is that it can be a bit confusing when first tried as one needs to remember not only the basis of what is played but also the the particular note emphasis played. For example C M7 played from the third is Dm7 + whatever, so you can see a different chord but played as the first allowing to extend the structure upwards. Or if invert downwards. Often these things are actually played in a kind of incidental way as the song progresses to add flavour and embellishment offering interest to a piece. Note: done on the fly as the player entertains the listener. Hope this helps. I also enjoy playing the near neighbour to the destination note in the left hand too which shifts the ear in a more dynamic way, good for endings and adjuncts.

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Thanks mate...helpful again
You have to watch him closely..has some helpful vids.

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No problemo Willy, - hope you are enjoying your summer down there!


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