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#3163731 10/13/21 06:59 AM
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Anyone knows what the introiduction price was for a Roland FP-4 DP?
I know one 2nd hand 600€.
I will be a piano for quit practice or low volume. Is the action any good one these models?

Many Thanks, Johan

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Around 2007 or so.

Not to be confused with the FP-4F from 2011 or so.

Specs: https://www.roland.com/global/products/fp-4/

The action (PHA alpha II) is apparently a predecessor of the current PHA-4 Standard and its predecessor Ivory Feel-G.

...whatever that means in practice. Related: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2337383/Roland_PHA_vs_lightweight_acti.html

But 600€ is close to the price of a brand new Roland FP-30, so I wonder if the FP4 has any benefits over it.

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
The action (PHA alpha II) is apparently a predecessor of the current PHA-4 Standard and its predecessor Ivory Feel-G.

...whatever that means in practice.
Although there is always some subjecitivity in actions, IMO, for a while there, Roland was going in the wrong direction. I liked the FP2 action a bit better than its replacement FP4, and I liked the FP4 action a lot better than its replacement FP4F (the more sluggish Ivory Feel G).

Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
But 600€ is close to the price of a brand new Roland FP-30, so I wonder if the FP4 has any benefits over it.
FP4 was a more expensive, more "professional" board in its time. It definitely has benefits:

330 sounds instead of 35

Lots more front panel real-time controls (so you can do patch selection, split/layer volume adjustments, transpose etc. etc. with immediately accessible knobs instead of holding a button to use the piano's playing keys to make adjustments)

5-pin MIDI In/Out connections

1/4" Line Out connectors

1/4" Line Inputs

auto accompaniment with 80 rhythms

25 sets of user registrations... each set can contain 24 user setups of sounds with splits, layers, and many other parameters, including MIDI Program Change for changing the patch on an externally connected device

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Of course many of those features are unnecessary for a simple "acoustic piano substitute" use case.

But things often have many sides.

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I bought the FP-7 in 2007, I still play it with external monitor and Pianoteq. I can't remember the difference between FP-4 and FP-7, well I know the speaker were better and more powerful. I tried many digital piano over the years and the difference between the action of the FP-7 and the newer digital piano is not enough to justify a new purchase. The sound of the FP-7 is not good like Pianoteq or another VST.

Is it a good deal ? I don't know check kijiji or marketplace and compare.



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Well, 600€ for a 14 years old digital piano doesn't sound like a good deal. It has "features" but nothing special in the overall technology.

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My parents bought one for my Christmas and birthday back then, it was 1200€ in a brick and mortar store in a small french city. With the wooden stand, a basic bench and a soft case.
Frankly it's still pretty good and it allowed me to keep playing as I travelled across Europe for studies/work. It's easily movable yet the action is good - at that time it was mind blowing for me compared to other keyboards.

However once I find its hybrid successor I'll probably sell it for a debatable 200€, definitely not 600€.


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Originally Posted by Serge88
I bought the FP-7 in 2007, I still play it with external monitor and Pianoteq. I can't remember the difference between FP-4 and FP-7, well I know the speaker were better and more powerful.
FP7 had a much better actiion... actually one of my all-time favorite Roland actions. But as a gigging musician, I never considered it, since it weighted something lke 20 lbs more than the FP4, up in the 50+ pound range IIRC.

As for what an FP4 is worth now, checking reverb.com, they show that two have sold, one for $564 and one for $850 (those prices include the shipping).

When it comes to lightweight 88 slabs, in terms of functionality for a gigging player, I'd put the FP-4 above the FP30, but below the RD88. But it really depends on exactly what you need it to do. I don't think $600 is a bad price for an FP4 at all. It's only too much if the things it has to offer aren't things you particularly need (which gets back to what clothearednincompo said, "many of those features are unnecessary for a simple 'acoustic piano substitute' use case"). If you don't need the features I listed earlier, you can probably find a better way to spend the $600, and/or something cheaper that would do the job for you. OTOH, though, some people really liked that action, and might prefer it to anything else they could find for that price, even if they don't care about the other features. That's subjective, as usual...


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