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I wanted to try using a Roland FP-10 as a MIDI controller for music composition and creating simple songs.

Tried a Roland FP-10 with a USB Type B to Type A wire connected to a Windows 10 PC. The keyboard has been updated to firmware 1.4 (latest firmware from Roland). On Windows 10, there is an app called MIDIBerry, which I use to detect for MIDI input and output signals. I just bought a brand new USB Type B-to-Type A cable. I'm not using Bluetooth, nor do I own any Apple MacBooks and iPhones.

Here is the strange part:

  • MIDIBerry does not detect any incoming MIDI signals from Roland FP-10 to the PC, using the USB connection.
  • MIDIBerry can send outgoing MIDI signals from the PC to the Roland FP-10, and the piano is able to play sound from the internal speakers.
  • A third-party piano practicing software is able to detect incoming MIDI signals from Roland FP-10 and can highlight which key(s) were pressed. This application is not endorsed by Roland.
  • A popular open-source music editing MIDI sequencer isn't able to detect incoming MIDI signals from Roland FP-10.


I know that MIDIBerry does work for detecting MIDI signals, as this same application is used to detect incoming MIDI signals from Kawai ES520 wired to the PC via USB connection.

I would like to know:
  • How come the Roland FP-10 isn't sending MIDI signals to the PC, even though it is touted to support the MIDI 1.0 specifications?
  • Updating the firmware drivers for Roland FP-10 isn't helping at all. Is there anything else I'm missing?
  • What else am I missing when it comes to getting the Roland FP-10 to act like a MIDI controller for a MIDI sequencer / music editing software?


Thanks for any responses.

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Originally Posted by Asperatology
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Tried a Roland FP-10 with a USB Type B to Type A wire connected to a Windows 10 PC. The keyboard has been updated to firmware 1.4 (latest firmware from Roland). On Windows 10, there is an app called MIDIBerry, which I use to detect for MIDI input and output signals. I just bought a brand new USB Type B-to-Type A cable. I'm not using Bluetooth, nor do I own any Apple MacBooks and iPhones.

Here is the strange part:

  • . . .
  • A third-party piano practicing software is able to detect incoming MIDI signals from Roland FP-10 and can highlight which key(s) were pressed. This application is not endorsed by Roland.
    . . .



I would like to know:
  • How come the Roland FP-10 isn't sending MIDI signals to the PC, even though it is touted to support the MIDI 1.0 specifications?
  • Updating the firmware drivers for Roland FP-10 isn't helping at all. Is there anything else I'm missing?
  • What else am I missing when it comes to getting the Roland FP-10 to act like a MIDI controller for a MIDI sequencer / music editing software?


Thanks for any responses.

You have part of the problem wrong:

. . . The DP _is_ sending MIDI to the PC, since it's detected by the piano-practicing software on the PC

I _thought_ that there was a generally-agreed-upon standard for MIDI transmission, and that "class-compliant" MIDI drivers would handle MIDI to/from _any_ "class-compliant" MIDI instrument.

. . . Other people will know more than I do, but it sounds like either:

. . . . Roland MIDI isn't "class-compliant", and you have a "driver problem" (and my sympathy), or

. . . . you are mis-configuring the PC's software, and the Roland's MIDI output is being ignored.

If there's a Roland piano forum, I'd check there for any complaints about FP-10 MIDI causing problems.

Please report back --


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My approach would be using Pianoteq demo (set to listen to all channels) to monitor MIDI events and see what FP-10 is sending.

There is also MIDI OX, I never used it, but I suppose it has similar functionality as Pteq's demo.


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Originally Posted by EVC2017
My approach would be using Pianoteq demo (set to listen to all channels) to monitor MIDI events and see what FP-10 is sending.

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Start Pianoteq, then:

--> Edit --> Preferences --> Devices --> Active MIDI inputs -->

. . . . . . check "Listen to all MIDI inputs".


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Out of curiosity, I installed MIDI OX and did a quick test with it. I think it provides the same functionality (actually, a LOT more) as Pianoteq's MIDI monitor with the advantage of a very compact installation size.

I used my Keystep for the test and changed the MIDI channel and MIDI OX showed the change properly. So, it is another option for checking the FP-10 side of your configuration. FWIW Keystep generates a LOT of messages because of aftertouch, FP-10 is certainly more tame. smile

EDIT: tested with Keystep and my ES8 (through Roland UM-ONE MK-II USB-MIDI converter) connected and, likewise, it shows both devices activity (once both are enabled on the MIDI Device Options).

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Hello,

@Asperatology, My piano MIDI controller also is a Roland FP-10. It is connected through USB, and works flawlessly with any VSTi or MIDI tool I have used thus far. I don't know it's firmware version, the piano was bought less than a year ago.

It doesn't use proprietary drivers, it is 'class compliant', so Windows uses the standard Windows MIDI driver (plug and play).

Those windows drivers are, or at least have been, single-client. Herein *may* lay your trouble: it means that only one running application can listen to a MIDI source (such as your FP-10) at a time, a second, third etc. application will give error messages or misbehave.

If this is indeed the cause of your troubles, please read this post:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...-app-for-midi-recording.html#Post3160366

and this one:

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...-app-for-midi-recording.html#Post3160661

in hopes of giving you the solution.

In any case, as said the FP-10 makes a nice piano controller, so yours should be as well.

Cheers and happy problem solving,

HZ

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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
. . . . you are mis-configuring the PC's software, and the Roland's MIDI output is being ignored.

After looking through the responses, I now believed this is the actual problem, and not a piano issue / Windows compatibility issue. Operator error, pretty much.

Originally Posted by EVC2017
There is also MIDI OX, I never used it, but I suppose it has similar functionality as Pteq's demo.

I never heard of this application, so I went ahead and installed it. Running through the MIDI Device setup configurations, I was able to confirm the Roland FP-10 is able to send incoming MIDI signals to the PC. Thus, it works. I guess it really is the PC software I was using that's causing some configuration issues I didn't know about.
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Hello,

@Asperatology, My piano MIDI controller also is a Roland FP-10. It is connected through USB, and works flawlessly with any VSTi or MIDI tool I have used thus far. I don't know it's firmware version, the piano was bought less than a year ago.

My firmware is current at 1.04, which is the latest one right now.

I followed your second link to another post in the Piano World Forum, which shows how to use MIDI-OX to setup multi-client MIDI ports on Windows, so the single-client MIDI ports aren't blocking the MIDI signals. The setup is pretty easy, after doing it once.

I then used LoopMIDI to set up the outputs, used MIDI-OX to map the MIDI ports such that a single input is mapped to multiple outputs, and now the MIDI sequencer I use can detect and listen to the signals.

Thank you for the assistances, everyone.

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Hello,

@Asperatology, So, problem solved? Wonderful!

Cheers and happy playing,

HZ


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