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I'm working on the Johann Pachelbel (1653-1706) arrangement of Cannon in D. In regards to the degrees from the context of the chord's perspective, can someone please explain to me why in measure 10 it switches from a 1585 pattern to a 15x5 pattern when it gets to F#? I'd just really love to know the reasoning behind why for F the pattern breaks.

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Hi Kim
I don’t think anyone will understand what you mean by 1585 pattern and 15 x 15 pattern. Could you possibly post a picture of a couple of measures?


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As Frank pointed out it's "canon" with a single 'n' not "cannon". wink

The chord progression is I - V - VI - III - IV - I - IV - V. It's a harmonic sequence down by a fourth then up a second until it gets to the last two chords, which is the cadence IV - V - (I) or pre-dominant, dominant, and back to tonic. It's probably one of the most common progressions in all of music. See also:


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KimbraLaLa is talking about Lee Galloway's arrangement

https://community.bisafans.de/index.php?attachment%2F64723-johann-pachelbel-canon-in-d-pdf%2F

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Oops sorry for the typo! Thank you!! much appreciated!

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KimbraLaLa, your question is correct , also in relation to the beginning of 11 bar! If you select the eighths for the second and fourth beats of the , starting from 9th bar, you get a melodic line
D A B F # (corrected) G (corrected) D G A.

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Originally Posted by dogperson
Hi Kim
I don’t think anyone will understand what you mean by 1585 pattern and 15 x 15 pattern. Could you possibly post a picture of a couple of measures?

Okay, now I have figured out that 1585 pattern is an arpeggio pattern with the 1st, 5th, 8th, 5th note. And 15x5 is 1st, 5th, 10th, 5th note.


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There are several possible reasons. For me the one that seems fairly clear is that if on the 4th beat of bar 10 there was an F sharp instead of an A, that would give a full triad in root position. There is already such a triad on the strong beat 3 and the last 8th is ending with a dissonance (D sharp - B) to prepare for the consonance of the next bar. Putting a consonant triad there just does not work wery well as it has a tendancy to stop the progression and thus the following dissonance sounds rather awkward and misplaced. That is also why the arranger added a C sharp on that beat. Though the right hand A was enough (like in a similar place in bar 11), adding the C charp does create enough imperfection so that the strong dissonance afterwards sounds right.

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
There is already such a triad on the strong beat 3 and the last 8th is ending with a dissonance (D sharp - B) to prepare for the consonance of the next bar.

Correction, C sharp - B.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
KimbraLaLa is talking about Lee Galloway's arrangement

https://community.bisafans.de/index.php?attachment%2F64723-johann-pachelbel-canon-in-d-pdf%2F

Hey Kim - I see you are located in San Diego. Lee Galloway (the arranger) and I were classmates at La Jolla High School in the early 1960s. He went on to study piano at San Diego State. I know he still lives in the San Diego area. Good guy. Easy to find on the web. Just look him up and possibly contact him and ask your question. smile


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This is a very helpful observation, thank you for this! I would like to review this subject a bit closer, would anyone know if this theory would fall under Harmony Progression with Inverted Chords or is there a more narrow subject that would cover this theory?

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Oh wow! shocked that's crazy, I will definitely look him up! What are the chances lol.

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Originally Posted by KimbraLaLa
Oh wow! shocked that's crazy, I will definitely look him up! What are the chances lol.
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