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@Killometer: That's not pessimism. It's realism.

I don't think it's either. It's cynicism, some of which may be justified, but much of which is utterly nonsensical.

Tony at Bonners makes decent sounding line-out recordings so the viewer can compare the sound of each piano. He also ALWAYS encourages people to go to the store and try pianos before they choose.

If we believe that he has no interest in selling a customer the RIGHT thing for that particular customer, but is only interested in selling the customer the right thing for Bonners Music (e.g., the piano with the biggest profit margin) then in fact we are saying that Tony is man with no integrity whatsoever. Does anyone here think that's the way he comes across, because I don't.

Full agreement from me on this


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Originally Posted by EssBrace
If we believe that he has no interest in selling a customer the RIGHT thing for that particular customer, but is only interested in selling the customer the right thing for Bonners Music (e.g., the piano with the biggest profit margin) then in fact we are saying that Tony is man with no integrity whatsoever. Does anyone here think that's the way he comes across, because I don't.

Although I’m a natural-born cynic, I must concur with EssBrace on Tony. He has a job to do, but I don’t believe he is trying to sway us in one direction or the other.

When he compares two different brands, for example, he does not ‘take sides’, and when he does prefer a ‘feature’ over another, he is clear-enough about the fact that this is just his impression, and that someone else might feel differently, and that’s fine.

And yes, he always emphasizes the fact that people should play these instruments before making a choice.


I remember him saying something to the extent of ‘the P-515 is a revolution and not an evolution’ (as compared to the P-255), and boy, was he right!

He also emphasized the importance of the added ‘sound-card’ built-in to the P-515; which I initially paid little attention to, until I realized this meant I could play Pianoteq thru the on-board speakers using only one cable, and that the sound fidelity/quality was better than using the old ‘line-in’; which can introduce all sorts of unwanted noises, and requires more cables.


Did I buy the P-515 because Tony said so? No!

Did I appreciate his ‘informative review’? Yes!

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Does anyone here think that's the way he comes across, because I don't.

Totally agree.


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Originally Posted by Killomiter
They do let you try anything they have in stock but knowing that you have already made your mind up before entering. I think people call it intelligent marketing.

What today may be called intelligent marketing is what, back in the day, Bernays .... “ Shrink, Junior”, gave the literal title ‘Propaganda’, an actual training guide “novel” text book which immediately gave birth to a new dimension in the world of marketing - PR. In practical terms, translation: ‘Polished Spin 101’ that taught both the eager corps ready to staff this industry AND their still-to-be manufactured customer base, how to sell stuff to people who really didn’t/don’t want it but somehow they will buy nonetheless, respectively 🤔 .... today such PR art is merely just another me-too institutionalized market..... think consumers of modern-day markets in fast food stuffs, fast merchandise stuffs and, generally, stuffs sold by TV advertising output and, by extension, the internet.

Best of luck in your search journey, Hammertime. Obviously your experience as a student/performer of one class of instrument has firmly put you on a path to pursuing work on another class of instrument. It is easy for me to imagine that if/when you get there, you can accompany yourself via drums/percussion and keyboard sounds 🙂 .... the brands & models you have targeted were brand new releases around the same time the virus was taking over, so that may have some influence on difficulty finding head-to-head comparisons, but there is enough review/text/audio/vid stuff out there for each that if you comb thru, you may well be able to adequately patch together and form the comparison you seek.

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Originally Posted by drewr
Best of luck in your search journey, Hammertime. Obviously your experience as a student/performer of one class of instrument has firmly put you on a path to pursuing work on another class of instrument. It is easy for me to imagine that if/when you get there, you can accompany yourself via drums/percussion and keyboard sounds 🙂 .... the brands & models you have targeted were brand new releases around the same time the virus was taking over, so that may have some influence on difficulty finding head-to-head comparisons, but there is enough review/text/audio/vid stuff out there for each that if you comb thru, you may well be able to adequately patch together and form the comparison you seek.

Thanks drewr, appreciated and yes there was a richness of individual content/information, hence being able to narrow down the search, but a lack of head to head insight. At my current level of proficiency I’m assuming, as others have suggested, that either would serve me well and see me through my initial 3 year learning curve until I can make a more informed decision as to whether it’s helping or hindering further growth from there. I’m hoping it will see me through a good few years though as I develop this new “hobby” so I’ll jump off the fence in one direction and take it from there.


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