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Agogic accent is an emphasis on a note, not by stronger dynamic but by longer note duration relative to its value.

Do you have specific examples where you would use agogic accents? (I can think of one or two but I'd rather hear your ideas first, haha)

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I believe there are agogic accents, however minute, in all music that is not produced (reproduced) with an absolutely accurate BPM. This element then is fundamental to music performed by humans, and I would say that agogic accents are the principal way that we convey phrasing in piano music.

This video was suggested to me yesterday on YouTube, and it was the first thing I thought of when I read this post. When you consider tempo rubato synonymous with agogic accents, they are practically everywhere.

Hmm. If one were actually striving for metronomic rhythmic accuracy, I wonder what the threshhold for detectability of deviation would be. My guess is that perception would differ from one individual to the next, and the averages may have been researched and documented somewhere.


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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
Do you have specific examples where you would use agogic accents? (I can think of one or two but I'd rather hear your ideas first, haha)
I would use it occasionally when there is a subito piano, or sudden ff, for extra emphasis. If the ff is a big chord requiring a leap, that also gives extra time for the pianist to judge the distance accurately.

There are at least a couple of pianists (Ashkenazy and Barenboim) who use it liberally in Moonlight's first movement every time the melodic note is repeated, which becomes somewhat predictable.

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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
Agogic accent is an emphasis on a note, not by stronger dynamic but by longer note duration relative to its value.

Do you have specific examples where you would use agogic accents? (I can think of one or two but I'd rather hear your ideas first, haha)

Apart from harpsichordist who used it all the time, it is often used in slower mouvements in combination with other dynamic marks. For example the beginning of Mozart K309 2nd mouvement. Some pianists also put a very subtle one on the beginning of Beethoven opus 31/3.

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Here is one example where I think agogic accent works beautifully to enhance the music (skip to 2:22). The passage has a sequence of 4 descending chromatic figurations, themselves ascending by 1 scale degree each time. When it gets to the 4th time, the downbeat serves as a climax to the entire passage, hence the use of agogic accent here sort of marks the 'high note', both literally and figuratively.



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