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I am looking at a 2004 RX-3 on Thursday. Excited to try it. Was thinking an RX-2 would be right but this one just came up locally. RX-3 for sale

Question is - the serial number is right on the border line for the change to MIII isn't it? I think the RX-2 had the MIII in 2004. How would I tell? I can't find any good info on the RX-3 action, all it says is that the GX-3 has the MIII. Or is it the ABS?

I am guessing it is pretty obvious to see? Also thinking the price is high from what I have seen.

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IIRC the MIII had the black carbon fiber jack.

Don Mannino (KawaiDon) might chime in.

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Originally Posted by drewhpianoman
I am looking at a 2004 RX-3 on Thursday. Excited to try it. Was thinking an RX-2 would be right but this one just came up locally. RX-3 for sale
So this one came up locally - and you can actually try it out. Sounds promising.


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That looks promising, price looks fair. have it checked out by a technician.


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Originally Posted by drewhpianoman
Question is - the serial number is right on the border line for the change to MIII isn't it? I think the RX-2 had the MIII in 2004. How would I tell? I can't find any good info on the RX-3 action, all it says is that the GX-3 has the MIII. Or is it the ABS?

Found this in a 2014 PianoBuyer article:

"Long an unabashed proponent of the use, in piano actions, of plastic and composite materials as alternatives to wood, Kawai has a history of frequently updating its acoustic piano models. Those familiar with past Kawai grand models will recall the introduction, in 1996, of the RX series with its Ultra Responsive action made of ABS Styran, updated in 2004 with the carbon-fiber–reinforced Millennium III action; and, in 2010, the introduction of a resin-reinforced hammer shank in the RX-BLAK series action. Other Kawai grand series include the entry-level GM models, the cost-efficient and slightly larger GE pianos, and the limited-production, high-end Shigeru Kawai series."


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All the online sites I can find show the approximate Kawai serial number for the beginning of 2004 as 249500. The piano you are considering was built slightly prior to that.


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Just have them send you some pictures shot down into the action, through the strings, and post it here. You should see the black colored action parts instead of off-white.


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Carey - yep, I guess you never know what is going to pop up.
thanks for that info, that confirms what I found out. So it might be a 2003 piano that was sold in 2004 and has not yet the carbon fiber action. It seems like it will be pretty easy to tell by looking at the action closely.

Not sure if that would effect my decision if the piano plays well. But I'll post comments questions after I see it on Thursday.


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thanks terminaldegree - I am going to see/play piano thursday, so I will take some photos if I can't clearly identify the action.


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If I liked the piano I would not be concerned whether it has a wooden or carbon fiber action.


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Here's a comment from Kawai Don about M3 vs. the prior ABS action:

"The M-III action has the benefit of feeling slightly easier to play, being capable of faster repetition (although the previous action was fine in that regard also), but what most people feel is that it is more controllable and expressive than the older ABS and wood Kawai actions. The ABS action is more sensitive to excess friction than the new M-III action, so good maintenance is very important.

When an older action is worn out, it makes sense to then use the newer action parts if they are in stock. But the keyboard usually needs to be re-weighted when the new action parts are installed - they make a pretty substantial change in the touch."

Here's the thread.


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In production serial numbers are not always exactly sequential, so the exact serial number break is not possible. But starting with Kawai #2495000 is a reliable changeover point. After this, all pianos should have the new action.

However, it is SUPER easy to look down between the bass strings and look for black action parts! If they all look beige or wood tone, then it is the older action. If you see wood hammer shanks with black parts underneath, it is the Millennium-III.

You can't go by the jack only - Kawai started using a carbon composite jack back in the 1980s.


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If I liked the piano I would not be concerned whether it has a wooden or carbon fiber action.

Agree 100%. I have a 1999 RX-3 and I love the action.

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Great information! I feel I have what I need for tomorrows visit. I am really appreciating this forum.

I did go read the other thread and probably should have done more research before asking the question. But it seems everyone is pretty patient about that on this forum.


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Well, I bought the piano. It is an MIII!!!!

It is in absolutely mint condition, single owner, clearly the top has been kept closed, barely any dust even. Everything on it looked perfect, soundboard, bridge etc. it was tuned very well about a couple of months ago and I did speak to the tech who did the work, who gave it a glowing review. It has a fairly warm but very rich sound, I especially liked the bass notes on this piano, this is so important to me. This piano also has 3 posts for the lid. I will use the smallest in my room for sure. The action is very even and felt really nice and consistent across the keyboard. I also really like the fact that is is acclimated to the weather here and has not had any problems.

The seller was very nice and had a lot of emotional attachment to the piano. His wife played and died recently. He is also giving me boxes of piano music.

So I made him an offer that I was quite comfortable with and he accepted. I am in a bit of shock as I did not expect to find anything like this so quickly. so now I have to get the room ready and find a mover.

At any rate, I would not have felt so confident about the purchase without information I got from the members of this forum. So thank you!


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Congratulations Drew! RX3s are not easy to come by, at least when I was searching for one. It's great you found one in such good condition. It's also great you got the RX3 rather than the RX2 you were considering as for grand pianos, size does matter. I bet this one has a fine sounding bass register. And you have a top notch action.

Enjoy your piano, and be sure to post pics and a recording if you can! Woohoo!


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thanks emery - probably be a week or so to arrange mover but I will definitely post some picks. Not sure about a recording, now I have to microphones etc smile

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Congratulations, Drew! I’m so glad you were able to find something close to you! I’m sure you will enjoy the piano immensely! 🎉🎊🎈

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Wow - very happy for you, Drew. Some things are just meant to be.
Looking forward to the pictures.


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