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You seem determined to get a 7 footer, and not afraid of taking some risk. You also want something that's playable for your son (per your other post).

I jokingly said above that I'd prefer the Baldwin to this one, but if you're willing to take something like this on, I'd send your bridge pictures to some local technicians and ask them for a ballpark estimate to recap the Baldwin's bridge(s). Use that as leverage to get the price down. If the owner will come down on the price -- way down -- then have it properly inspected to make sure there are no other issues and proceed accordingly.


The other thing that occurs to me is that you may be suffering from jalopy syndrome (I fall in love with every old car, truck or motorcycle I come across). You've got to look at a variety of pianos before you stop feeling drawn in by each one.


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Quite so but it may not be the most cost effective choice !!!


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I think the ideal piano for our room would be 5'10" to 6'2". But what I see is limited by the market. I actually don't like 7" pianos unless it is good.

I was thinking about racap the Baldwin. But I am not sure I will like the sound after all those work. Also the seller doesn't want to reduce the price to 6k.

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Originally Posted by yonion
My final budget can be higher. Your link reminded me that I should record a short video when playing the piano and share it here. You may then have a better idea of the condition of the piano. I am not too worried about the dents or scratches on the body. We are not good at keeping things in a pristine condition anyway. I care more about sound and action and how long it can last. Are there any particular things I should play to test the action and sound? I don't play piano. My son does. But I can do the testing.
I'm assuming you are aware of this one and may have already tried it out. A 2003 Yamaha C2 for $12K.

https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/msg/d/methuen-yamaha-c2-piano/7375005597.html


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We haven't seen this one. Because we already see the 1983 G2, whose condition is like new and much cheaper.

BTW, my son's piano teacher doesn't like the idea of buying an 85-key piano, though she did not give any good reason either. Anyway. The combined wisdom is against the idea of buying this kind of piano. We will keep looking.

I guess if I care about the sound, I may have to double my budget. What makes this hard is that our upright piano's sound is too good. It is not easy to beat that sound with smaller grands.

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BTW, my son's piano teacher doesn't like the idea of buying an 85-key piano, though she did not give any good reason either.

Debussy's "Reflets Dans L'eau" is one good reason.


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BTW, my son's piano teacher doesn't like the idea of buying an 85-key piano, though she did not give any good reason either.

Debussy's "Reflets Dans L'eau" is one good reason.

As is Kapustin's first Concert Etude and Rzewski piece No. 4

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As is Kapustin's first Concert Etude and Rzewski piece No. 4

Funny that you mention the Kapustin, as I'm playing it later this month on the college's 1889 model A that has 85 keys, and have to relearn the ending to suit. It definitely takes something away from the experience in that case!


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BTW, my son's piano teacher doesn't like the idea of buying an 85-key piano, though she did not give any good reason either.

Debussy's "Reflets Dans L'eau" is one good reason.

And Ravel's 'Jeux d'eau', Prokofiev concerti 2 and 3, Rzewski's 'People United' and of course Scriabin's 7th sonata, where in fact the climax of the whole piece requires the top C. OTOH, one of the most famous recordings omits the whole last octave and for the past 50 years no critic has actually complained about it in a review.

Maybe the piano teacher has high aspirations for your son...

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BTW, my son's piano teacher doesn't like the idea of buying an 85-key piano, though she did not give any good reason either.
Debussy's "Reflets Dans L'eau" is one good reason.
There have been several PW threads about pieces that can't be played on 85 note pianos. As far as I recall none of them could find even ten pieces in the standard literature that could not be played on an 85 note piano.

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This sounds to me like it is a project piano, as was the Baldwin you looked at. By this I mean that they are pianos that you buy because you want to spend serious effort in fixing/maintaining them (or spend serious time and effort with a technician). These are not pianos you buy because they will be great practice instruments for a teenager.

Do you really want a project piano? Does your son? If I were your son’s age and had been playing a Baldwin Hamilton that was in pretty good shape and sounded nice (which is what I understand from your post), I would not want to transition to a very old piano or a piano with major issues (which very old pianos often have) as my primary practice instrument. The Yamahas under discussion seem like much better options.

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For the record, am assuming that THIS is the 1883 Steinway the OP was considering.

https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=46606


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For the record, am assuming that THIS is the 1883 Steinway the OP was considering.
https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=46606
If so, I don't like that the ad is misleading/deceptive although it is certainly not the only ad is that category. The piano is far from what would normally be called "rebuilt". Even the way the picture is taken, with the music desk moved way to forward seems strange.

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For the record, am assuming that THIS is the 1883 Steinway the OP was considering.
https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=46606
If so, I don't like that the ad is misleading/deceptive although it is certainly not the only ad is that category. The piano is far from what would normally be called "rebuilt". Even the way the picture is taken, with the music desk moved way to forward seems strange.

I agree that the ad is misleading - and given that the ad was placed by the piano owner's technician (who has done the work on it), the deception has to have been willful (technicians clearly know the distinction between refreshed / restored / rebuilt.)

I would avoid this piano.

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Yes, this is the one we are talking about. I am not very familiar with the differences between these words, though I think I read it in the piano book. I don't know whether the seller is trying to mislead buyer or just being sloppy with words. Does rebuild require action and soundboard replacement? I am wondering what the position of the bench may imply. We definitely want to avoid any project pianos. I liked this one because I saw the string, pin block, pins are all relatively new. When I check the soundboard and bridge, I also did not see big problem. Again, I am not a piano tech. My hope is that it can last like 10 years without major repairs. My piano tech used to tell me that sticky keys are normally not hard to fix.

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Yes, this is the one we are talking about. I am not very familiar with the differences between these words, though I think I read it in the piano book. I don't know whether the seller is trying to mislead buyer or just being sloppy with words. Does rebuild require action and soundboard replacement? I am wondering what the position of the bench may imply. We definitely want to avoid any project pianos. I liked this one because I saw the string, pin block, pins are all relatively new. When I check the soundboard and bridge, I also did not see big problem. Again, I am not a piano tech. My hope is that it can last like 10 years without major repairs. My piano tech used to tell me that sticky keys are normally not hard to fix.
Quite honestly, if you want assurance that a piano will last at least 10 years without major repairs, you probably need to purchase a much newer instrument.


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Another option in your area - 1996 Yamaha C2 $12K
https://www.pianomart.com/buy-a-piano/view?id=45373


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I wouldn't buy it.


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I can't speak for this particular piano, but those early B's can be quite charming. If the power and sustain is good in octaves 5 and 6, don't worry about the board. It's lasted almost a century and a half and will last another 20 years.

The action can be challenging if modern parts are placed on it, ie: high inertia and I would make sure you can play glissando and chromatic ppp with the sustain pedal held.

Also, price is too high, but not too many pianos in that price range can do what that one can do if it;s working properly and the price is right, which it isn't.

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