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Reincarnation?
I don't know what it is, but it's terrifying!

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Suzuki assumed every child has the "talent" to be musical. Many people including myself have an interest in music. We play as a hobby but not on the path of becoming a professional musician.

If basic piano playing is a skill like reading, writing & arithmetic, the majority would be able to sit down in front of a piano and learn to play a tune. There are a lot of young prodigies who excel at a young age. Once went to a concert featuring the Canadian pianist Ryan Wang from Vancouver. At age 9 he played the entire concert (40m) from memory. I tried piano at age 5 unsuccessfully. The first & last song I played was "Twinkle". After 3 decades I finally had the confidence to get back to playing again.

Besides skill & talent, there is personal interest / inclination. There are people who are highly intelligent and are able to learn just about anything easily. If they're not interested in music, don't expect them to pick up an instrument. A few people in my family circle took lessons. Some passed conservatory levels but hated piano. At the moment only 2 in the family including myself still play regularly.

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Suzuki assumed every child has the "talent" to be musical. Many people including myself have an interest in music. We play as a hobby but not on the path of becoming a professional musician.
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If basic piano playing is a skill like reading, writing & arithmetic, the majority would be able to sit down in front of a piano and learn to play a tune.
Back when I taught, I helped college/university music majors meet their basic piano proficiency graduation requirements. For some it wasn't difficult - for others it was an ordeal - much like my own futile efforts to learn the clarinet as an undergrad.
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Besides skill & talent, there is personal interest / inclination. There are people who are highly intelligent and are able to learn just about anything easily. If they're not interested in music, don't expect them to pick up an instrument.
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A few people in my family circle took lessons. Some passed conservatory levels but hated piano.
That's a lot of time and effort to spend on something you hate.


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No one can say for certain, but it probably involves quite a bit of talent imo. Just as a random example, I'm looking at someone like Tiffany Poon, who played Liszt Grand Galop Chromatique at 12, but still took a dozen years afterwards + really good social media game to reliably get concerts. It must have took spades of both talent and effort.

Doing something competently is different from being amazing at it though, so I'm sure most people can achieve some level of proficiency. I think over 50 percent of people would be able to play Fur Elise given enough time, starting at any age. But for anything beyond that, it's hard to say.

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Watch this and see if it changes your mind
Reincarnation?
Pretty good but he's been playing for three years.

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
Suzuki assumed every child has the "talent" to be musical.
If that's the way they phrased it, it is so vague as to be meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Carey
That's a lot of time and effort to spend on something you hate.

When we're young, many parents got their kids enrolled in a music program or with private teachers. Not many kids knew what they're getting into. The parents probably got them to continue with the lessons until a certain level before quitting.

The ones with an interest in music would play a tune on a piano at a social gathering or in public. Others would hesitate when asked if they have taken lessons and say they're not good at it to save the embarrassment of being asked to play something.

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Watch this and see if it changes your mind
Reincarnation?
Pretty good but he's been playing for three years.
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How about this one? It's kind of obvious that talent is a thing, let's be real.


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My daughter in HS is learning this Chopin piece. I feel she is both talented and gifted but she simply hates Jonah. She always say's "it's not fair" when she comes across one of his videos. lol

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My daughter in HS is learning this Chopin piece. I feel she is both talented and gifted but she simply hates Jonah. She always say's "it's not fair" when she comes across one of his videos. lol

I view watching the piano video of any cute little kid to be the definition of masochism. I don’t do it unless I feel some deep need to beat myself up


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My daughter in HS is learning this Chopin piece. I feel she is both talented and gifted but she simply hates Jonah. She always say's "it's not fair" when she comes across one of his videos. lol
That's hilarious!

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How about this one? It's kind of obvious that talent is a thing, let's be real.


And here he is at 10 years old.

Eat your hearts out folks.



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play well is a skill, play music is a talent.


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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
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This boy plays well, but he is doing something which doesn't match what he should do at his age.
Learn a new piece for the first time is an unique opportunity, learn it too early without the feeling and the right hand size will make it a lifelong style.
The same thing is for another boy. This is a destruction of talent in my opinion.


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This boy plays well, but he is doing something which doesn't match what he should do at his age.
Learn a new piece for the first time is an unique opportunity, learn it too early without the feeling and the right hand size will make it a lifelong style.
The same thing is for another boy. This is a destruction of talent in my opinion.

I remember at one time I played Liebestraum no. 3 for my teacher and he simply said "You're too young of this." (In restrospect, probably he didn't want to have to explain passionate love to a kid laugh ).
On the flip side though, I happen to think that Mozart's music is so pure, it would be effortless for children to play it by virtue of their 'unadulterated' mind.

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Part of the reason there is so little agreement on this thread is that people have very different ideas about the meaning of the words "skill" and "talent". The other problem is the way the OP phrased the question which implies piano playing is either a skill OR a talent.

I think piano playing is a skill that requires talent to reach a high level and/or to progress quickly.

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Originally Posted by cygnusdei
I remember at one time I played Liebestraum no. 3 for my teacher and he simply said "You're too young of this." (In restrospect, probably he didn't want to have to explain passionate love to a kid laugh ).
On the flip side though, I happen to think that Mozart's music is so pure, it would be effortless for children to play it by virtue of their 'unadulterated' mind.

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sometimes explain something without the mental maturity or experiences is useless. Even worse, the boy/girl can have this wrong impression for very long time and that is difficult to correct.
Mozart's music is amazing, everyone can play it. The back draw is that the pianist is not able to show his skills to everyone.


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I was more shocked by this one.


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In my younger days, having the talent for music mattered more. My mother would get my siblings to try an instrument including guitar, piano, violin for a while and decide if we should continue. Music was treated as an academic exercise. We'd try to play the teacher's assigned repertoire to the best of our abilities. The people in my family decided early that we were not good at music and quit.

As an adult learner today I wouldn't compare myself to a young prodigy. My reason for playing at least an hour a day, 365 days a year is for mental health. Being locked up during the pandemic and facing a midlife crisis, music means a lot. The idea of having talent ended at about age 10. Those who play music at an advanced level at a young age have the choice of becoming professional musicians. People like myself play as a hobby.

I can play a few songs at an intermediate level at a gathering. At my age, I am considered someone with many years of experience than being talented. There is a lot of hard work in the equation but at the same time being able to play some of my favorite pieces also brings a sense of personal satisfaction.

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