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In the post-WW2 era when spinets and consoles dominated vertical piano production, it was common for vertical pianos to have a bass sustain pedal that sustained everything from A0 to D3.

Today, most vertical pianos have a mute rail operated by the middle pedal. Some higher end ones have a sostenuto, or can be retrofitted with a sostenuto on customer request.

The only new upright pianos I know with a bass sustain pedal are Baldwin models like the B252 or the remake of the Hamilton studio piano.

Anyone know of any others (other than Baldwin)?

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Perhaps some institutional models that don't have a mute rail.


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I think the small institutional Boston piano has a bass sustain.


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the Charles Walter uprights have a bass sustain pedal

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Thanks. My interest is in playing some organ music on piano when all that is required for the prdal part is to sustain some pedal points. A full sostenuto would also be useful, and would not cause buildup of resonance from the undamped bass strings, but if any other notes are held when a bass note needs to be sustained, a full sostenuto would sustain them as well.

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There's a bass sustain on a 1990s Kawai upright I teach on here. I don't know why they just didn't put a full sostenuto on pianos like that honestly. It's the institutional model, no idea what the model is but you all probably know.

I've never seen a bass sustain on a model destined for Europe, it was always only either two pedals or a mute, and the institutional pianos were always either the U series Yamahas or the equivalent Kawai.

Side note: Yamaha G and C series grands imported to the UK didn't have a sostenuto pedal as standard until the mid to late 1980s, and Hamburg Steinway models O, M and S had two pedals as standard until about 1990. I really don't know why that was the case but it was maybe to try to encourage a "real" pianist to buy one of the larger pianos.


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Bass sustain is a lot simpler than sostenuto. It is also easier to use. But sostenuto is better for those who know how to use it.

I ran into a problem with one of the less expensive Yamaha grands with bass sustain. Pressing the damper pedal allowed the bass sustain pitman to fall out of its hole, jamming the bass sustain on. That requires putting the pitman back in place to repair it, and taking it out and pulling the aligning pin out so it will not fall out to prevent it happening again. Those pins need to be sticking out far enough so that the pitmen on both damper pedals do not fall out when the piano is moved, the only real problem I have seen on Yamaha grands.


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Bass sustain is a lot simpler than sostenuto. It is also easier to use. But sostenuto is better for those who know how to use it.
Each can accomplish things that the other cannot. I never use a soft pedal on an upright, and actually would like to have sustain, sostenuto, and bass sustain as the three pedals, but that of course will not exist in stock configuration.

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The Broadwood fortepiano that was given to Beethoven in 1817 had two pedals-- bass sustain and treble sustain. Both were depressed simultaneously to sustain all notes.


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