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Her videos provide information on some of the textures and playing styles of prominent jazz pianists, transformed through her playing ; which makes some sense; but lacks the perspective of personal development for the listener.
And of course there is no swing feeling.
Listening to this pianist, I took a feeling of sympathy for her enormous investment in a narrow field.

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Certainly no snide remarks from me. As I said they are the facts. You and everyone else is entitled to their opinion. You asked for her background and education and that's what I gave you. And I certainly won't be refraining my remarks. I held back considerably, and am trying to keep this polite.

She has walked the walk. She's from Korea, she's learnt to speak English, graduated from one of the finest music Colleges in the USA and has toured playing with the Berklee all star band in Germany (amongst other places) from what I remember reading.

Unless you disbelief everything she says and writes? Talk about slurring people....

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Certainly no snide remarks from me. As I said they are the facts. You and everyone else is entitled to their opinion. You asked for her background and education and that's what I gave you. And I certainly won't be refraining my remarks. I held back considerably, and am trying to keep this polite.

She has walked the walk. She's from Korea, she's learnt to speak English, graduated from one of the finest music Colleges in the USA and has toured playing with the Berklee all star band in Germany (amongst other places) from what I remember reading.

Unless you disbelief everything she says and writes? Talk about slurring people....

Cheers

Another snide, and inflammatory, remark at the end there. Why do you feel the need to hold back? Is it your instinct to be rude and you actively engage politeness to counter it?

Are you aware you said "I certainly won't be refraining my remarks" followed by "I held back considerably", which appear to be contradictory comments?

I'm asking you to please stop the personal attacks - it goes against the forum rules and is not in the spirit of the site.

Back to topic:

She's not walked the walk in comparison to the likes of Chick Corea, who you compared her actions to previously. My response was in relation to that comment. I'm not saying she doesn't have experience or hasn't trained, but it seems somewhat folly to compare the two.

As Nahum says, she lacks personal development and I heard that in her playing too. Maybe you disagree with him too?

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"Be Wary."


Of what????? Maybe it's a hobby for some folks, maybe it is a profession. I should be wary of a You Tube video about music? Hey, this ain't politics or cults here; we're talking music.


Example. I watched Chick every night during height of pandemic, it was very entertaining. My biggest takeaway was how he went through written material twice; at least that is what I got out of it. Some will take in more, others might change the channel. IMHO Jimin Park videos present the student with more useful exercises that might improve one's playing.

I don't feel wary, that I somehow might loose my swing (if I have any.) I am the leader of my mind, so I can just turn it off. I'm not wary, that somehow I'll ruin everything I learned before watching a You Tube video on piano.

I guess it makes for interesting comment sections. IMHO, social media has made people overly sensitive. Most here will ignore everything I just said by not commenting and yes, it might make me feel bad for say five seconds. Carry on.

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I used Chick Corea as an example of another Jazz musician who had his own YouTube channel. I could of picked dozens, and of course I'm not comparing the two.

My attacks aren't personal, I'm just defending someone who isn't here to defend herself.

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Hi 36251

Couldn't agree more. I think if Fatar760 and I were having this discussion in person, there would be very little disagreement. The nuance of the written word is so easy to take the wrong way.

Like you (please correct me if I'm wrong) my level is way below her abilities, so perhaps I don't hear the subtle differences that Fatar760 and Nahum are hearing.

I've said enough, and won't be commenting in this thread again. If anyone has a problem with my comments please take it to a moderator.

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Jazz police trolling ..but she’s fine. But now it’s she can’t swing and hasn’t walked the walk. Ridiculous. It says more about her critics than her.


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Originally Posted by RinTin
But now it’s she can’t swing and hasn’t walked the walk. Ridiculous. It says more about her critics than her.


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She's not walked the walk in comparison to the likes of Chick Corea....I'm not saying she doesn't have experience or hasn't trained, but it seems somewhat folly to compare the two

At least have the decency to quote accurately.

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Jazz police trolling ..but she’s fine. But now it’s she can’t swing and hasn’t walked the walk. Ridiculous. It says more about her critics than her.

https://soundcloud.com/wdcbnews/what-is-swing


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“Misty” in C Major. The rhythmic notation attempts to be too detailed, I wouldn’t notate it like this, but once I got used to this overly detailed rendering, it gives me insight into how Garner routinely fills all the space with what he knows and likes to do. I pause each measure and study Garner’s habits.

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Here’s another version of “Misty” but in D major:


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Originally Posted by Nahum
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And of course there is no swing feeling.
Listening to this pianist, I took a feeling of sympathy for her enormous investment in a narrow field.


She swings quite well and adapts her swing to the artists' she is highlighting. First time seeing her and I quite like her. There is a great deal I could get from her videos, I'm sure. I like Aimee Nolte too and still intending to get back to some of her tutorials.

Swing is not a matter of just taste either. It either swings, or it doesn't. Jazzwire seem to be trying to explain what swing is, but I didn't hear anyone demonstrate it. The little playing I heard had a jazz feel, but didn't swing.

In the hotel lobby video, she is rushing, quite a bit. But, I don't think it was meant to be a polished performance.

She's young and of course will grow more into it. But, I think a very bright future is ahead for her.

Thanks for sharing these videos.

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There are so many ways of swinging. Heavy swing, medium swing, light swing, even eighths swing and every degree in between those; there’s stiff swing and loose swing and again everything in between. It’s subjective, what you like is relevant. I have heard very acclaimed “masters” swing in ways I don’t care for. Swing is pretty irrelevant to the topic of this thread which was what are the typical stylistic elements of Errol Garner style pianism. You can hear sometimes Garner’s influence in playing the of Monty Alexander, Cyrus Chestnut and Hiromi for example.


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Originally Posted by RinTin
Swing is pretty irrelevant to the topic of this thread which was what are the typical stylistic elements of Errol Garner style pianism. .
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Originally Posted by RinTin
There are so many ways of swinging. Heavy swing, medium swing, light swing, even eighths swing and every degree in between those; there’s stiff swing and loose swing and again everything in between. It’s subjective, what you like is relevant. I have heard very acclaimed “masters” swing in ways I don’t care for. Swing is pretty irrelevant to the topic of this thread which was what are the typical stylistic elements of Errol Garner style pianism...


Yes, but I think it became relevant when people started taking shots at her ability to swing.

I go along with everything else. Sure there are degrees of swing, but there are also styles of jazz that don't swing at all and perhaps they are not supposed to, but still they get mixed in with all other jazz nonetheless.

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What's your thoughts or opinion on this continuous eighths swing? Don't hold back, be completely honest.
jazz eighths

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Yes, I'll be as honest as possible: this is not good!

1. Phrases are devoid of target

2. As a consequence 1. music does not breathe

3. As a consequence 1. there is no dynamics


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Originally Posted by RinTin
What's your thoughts or opinion on this continuous eighths swing? Don't hold back, be completely honest.
jazz eighths
I proceed from the assumption that you are playing it. Just in the groove you sound much better - there is phrasing, there is breathing.

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Originally Posted by RinTin
What's your thoughts or opinion on this continuous eighths swing? Don't hold back, be completely honest.
jazz eighths


Originally Posted by Nahum
Yes, I'll be as honest as possible: this is not good!

1. Phrases are devoid of target

2. As a consequence 1. music does not breathe

3. As a consequence 1. there is no dynamics


Originally Posted by Nahum
I proceed from the assumption that you are playing it. Just in the groove you sound much better - there is phrasing, there is breathing.


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...or, indeed, that one must be right.

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Contradiction
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The fact of something being the complete opposite of something else or very different from something else, so that one of them must be wrong.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/contradiction

...or, indeed, that one must be right.
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