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Originally Posted by BruceD
Yes, old school - very old school - here!

Funny you should use that phrase. For a lot of people self-teaching on these forums these days there is no “old school”. There’s no teacher looking over your shoulder and keeping you on the beat with a ruler tapping and reinforcing your counting aloud if you start to lose track.

Of course we should all count on our own and count correctly, but it’s like any learning process, we’re not all 100% perfect on the day we start learning, and sometimes we need a little help.


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Originally Posted by TBell
Does any of the aforementioned metronomes have a cowbell sound?

I use the Metronome Pro app pretty much like an old school metronome, adjusting only the metronome speed. However, I just looked at it and it has 12 different sounds to choose from (number 13 is count out loud). Some of them are pretty annoying sounding, TBH. Number 1 is very generic sounding and is what I have always used. Number 10 sounds rather like a cowbell to me.

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Originally Posted by TBell
Does any of the aforementioned metronomes have a cowbell sound?

Haha, do you have a preference for a cowbell sound? The one I mentioned, TE Tuner, has 2, conveniently called “Cowbell 1” and “Cowbell 2”.

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Goodness, there's more to metronomes than I realized! 😄 I had no idea. I guess I will give the free ones a try first and pass up the neat looking, but probably less practical Seth Thomas one I found on Marketplace. Thanks for all the great suggestions!

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I have around 8 metronome apps - but I keep going back to Pro Metronome. It’s not my favorite metronome, but it works in landscape mode, (one the few that do). Landscape mode is important if you’re charging the phone or have a line out to the speakers. Plus my other audio apps all work in landscape mode, so it’s annoying to have to keep twisting the phone around just for the metronome!

My favorite metronome app is from Kawaii; nice solid design with 3 types of visual feedback at the same time (including a pendulum). Alas, the Kawaii metronome app doesn’t work in landscape mode … urgh ….

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Originally Posted by fatar760
Originally Posted by BruceD
The potential problem with a do-everything metronome app is that for some people - did you read that I wrote "some people"? - the extra features become a crutch and discourage the user from working out timing issues for him/herself. Why do I need a metronome that verbally counts the beats when I should be doing that myself? Why do I need a metronome that tells me which beat is the first beat, when I should be working that out myself.

Yes, old school - very old school - here!

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Old school does not equal wrong though, Bruce. It's nice to have gimmicks and more modern ways of helping someone count but, ultimately, the player needs to be able to do it themselves and not rely on tech telling them if they're right or wrong.
I agree with both of the above and personally think a traditional metronome is superior to an app. Besides the reasons already mentioned above I'll add:

1. Having your phone in front of you during practice can be very distracting. If you must use it at least put it on airplane mode to avoid getting all the notifications. Personally, I prefer to just store it away completely.

2. An accoustic grand piano is quite loud. I found that to hear the metronome sound coming from a phone I have to use a very annoying high pitched sound rather than the traditional "tok-tok". I know you can have a visual cue but to me that is another annoyance/distraction when I'm trying to focus on the music.

3. This is a personal bias but I prefer the authentic feel of a real wooden metronome standing on the piano.

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The main attraction of a traditional metronome is the visual cues like a conductor in an orchestra waving a stick.

I’m stuck with a phone or a portable since I move around too much. Anything that sits on the table is not practical to carry around.

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I use the soundbrenner app. There is a nice one I found for polyrhythms, but I don't use it often. I hate metronomes in general, only use them when I have to. They detract from the rhythm of a piece of music.

Edit: Don't take this too seriously if you're a beginner with issues with counting. Seriously though, count out loud while you play. It works better than a metronome in many situations imo.

I would not want a physical metronome beside me as I would feel an irresistible urge to burn the thing!

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Originally Posted by ranjit
I would not want a physical metronome beside me as I would feel an irresistible urge to burn the thing!

Are you an arsonist that can't find the time...?

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Originally Posted by ranjit
I use the soundbrenner app. There is a nice one I found for polyrhythms, but I don't use it often. I hate metronomes in general, only use them when I have to. They detract from the rhythm of a piece of music.

Edit: Don't take this too seriously if you're a beginner with issues with counting. Seriously though, count out loud while you play. It works better than a metronome in many situations imo.

I would not want a physical metronome beside me as I would feel an irresistible urge to burn the thing!

A physical metronome is not just useful for counting rhythmic patterns but also for learning to maintain a steady beat


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Originally Posted by fatar760
Originally Posted by ranjit
I would not want a physical metronome beside me as I would feel an irresistible urge to burn the thing!

Are you an arsonist that can't find the time...?
Yep, unfortunately too busy practicing...

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I want to give a shout-out for Speakbeat. I’ve never been able to use a metronome and my teacher says its not unusual. I read about Speakbeat on one of the forums and downloaded it. I LOVE it! It really works for me, and has done wonders for my rhythm. Showed it to my teacher and she thought it was great; she also could see the improvement in my rhythm.

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Nowadays many musicians prefer visual metronome. It's usually a smartphone applications with a ball moving from one edge of the screen to another. For many people it's easier to follow visual rhythm than aural rhythm. Think of a conductor's hands. Besides, visual metronome doesn't interfere with music, therefore it allows to hear more nuances, it's not as annoying as aural metronome, and also you can use it on stage without an in-ear monitor.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Nowadays many musicians prefer visual metronome. It's usually a smartphone applications with a ball moving from one edge of the screen to another. For many people it's easier to follow visual rhythm than aural rhythm. Think of a conductor's hands. Besides, visual metronome doesn't interfere with music, therefore it allows to hear more nuances, it's not as annoying as aural metronome, and also you can use it on stage without an in-ear monitor.

Interesting. Do you have any particular recommendations?

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Seiko has an updated visual metronome with a traditional arm. It has a few advantages, including quartz accuracy and the choice of sound output (speaker or 3.5mm headphone out).
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Originally Posted by fatar760
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Nowadays many musicians prefer visual metronome. It's usually a smartphone applications with a ball moving from one edge of the screen to another. For many people it's easier to follow visual rhythm than aural rhythm. Think of a conductor's hands. Besides, visual metronome doesn't interfere with music, therefore it allows to hear more nuances, it's not as annoying as aural metronome, and also you can use it on stage without an in-ear monitor.

Interesting. Do you have any particular recommendations?

I can say regarding Android. A simple one with a ball moving from side to side is called Metronome Beats. If you want a fancy one try Metronome & Time Trainer by Justinguitar. There are others, I just don't know their names.

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I use a wittner taktell piccolo, some 30 years old, still doing fine.

Never need new batteries, no picking up any device, logon or other fuss like updating, other stuff interrupting me, need of charging or these other "needs" of these devices. It stands just next to my piano, I can almost reach it blind, just give it a slight push, it's still set to the mark where I was practicing at yesterday.

I don't need different bell tones etc. Just clicks at set speed so that I can keep track of my progress (or lack of it)


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I use a wittner taktell piccolo
That has a nice sound and style.

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