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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Here's the one I really wish there would be a transcription of.....

The first movement of Toccata & Fugue in F major:


Here is one transcription of the toccata by Ira Levin, you can purchase the score. I havent tried it. You can see if you like it.


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
That's easily my favorite of all the Bach transcriptions. ALTHOUGH.....I couldn't help making changes from what Busoni did, which I understand most people actually do. I was glad when my teacher told me that. It made me feel a little less arrogant about it.

Even Horowitz himself did so. For instance, he changed the (sorry Ferrucio, a bit pathetic) end of the toccata to keep it closer to the organ score. I do so as well and play it this way:

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Here's the one I really wish there would be a transcription of.....

The first movement of Toccata & Fugue in F major:


Here is one transcription of the toccata by Ira Levin, you can purchase the score. I havent tried it. You can see if you like it.

Then there is THIS arrangement....



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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Here is one transcription of the toccata by Ira Levin....



Thank you!!!
I don't totally love it (understatement) grin but I might well be able to use it and make something of it.

First of all, while I really like most of how he arranges it, to me his performance is awful -- too agitated, too heavy, and I get sick of it pretty fast (and I suspect most listeners would too, similarly to how almost all amateur performances of the Bach-Busoni Chaconne are unbearable by the second page).

And then, the icing on the cake (as it were) ha is what he does with the arrangement at 2:19. Some folks might love that, but he totally loses me there.

BTW some of the video of the score is out of sync with the music, which might confuse people.

But mainly -- THANK YOU for posting this!! thumb

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Carey -- Yes, I knew of that performance.
It's pretty neat.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
First of all, while I really like most of how he arranges it, to me his performance is awful -- too agitated, too heavy, and I get sick of it pretty fast (and I suspect most listeners would too, similarly to how almost all amateur performances of the Bach-Busoni Chaconne are unbearable by the second page).

And then, the icing on the cake (as it were) ha is what he does with the arrangement at 2:19. Some folks might love that, but he totally loses me there.
Yes - that was really strange.

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BTW some of the video of the score is out of sync with the music, which might confuse people.
More frustrating than confusing. ha


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Here is a "modern" transcription of the famous Minuet in G (which was back then, attributed to Bach rather than Petzold) by Edward MacDowell.


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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Thank you!!!
I don't totally love it (understatement) grin but I might well be able to use it and make something of it.

First of all, while I really like most of how he arranges it, to me his performance is awful -- too agitated, too heavy, and I get sick of it pretty fast (and I suspect most listeners would too, similarly to how almost all amateur performances of the Bach-Busoni Chaconne are unbearable by the second page.

Yes the interpretation is far from ideal. But you can use the arrangement as a start base and tweak it to your taste. The section at 2.19 is really strange, especially that the original is not even in that register. But it is easy to lower it.

That said you can find also a couple of arrangements also on imslp, the main one being d'Albert, which you can use as a base. There is one recording on you tube.

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Yes the interpretation is far from ideal. But you can use the arrangement as a start base and tweak it to your taste.

Yes!!
He gives us a real good basis for that.

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The section at 2.19 is really strange, especially that the original is not even in that register. But it is easy to lower it.

I'd say that just lowering it would make it even worse -- because it would be more prominent. The biggest issue of it (to me) is just what the notes are.

BTW, the right hand part in that passage is a similar figuration to a passage in the fugue of the Bach-Busoni BWV 564, and I'd guess that he modeled it on that.

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That said you can find also a couple of arrangements also on imslp, the main one being d'Albert, which you can use as a base. There is one recording on you tube.

Thank you for that too!!!

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I love this one, but get frustrated practicing it. laugh




This one, as well (referred to in the OP?):



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just want to add Petri's 'Sheep...'


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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
just want to add Petri's 'Sheep...'

Oh yes, I forgot that one! I love playing this one.

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just want to add Petri's 'Sheep...'

Oh yes, I forgot that one! I love playing this one.
Probably more fun to play than listen to. Always puts me to sleep. That, along with "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring." smile


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just want to add Petri's 'Sheep...'

Oh yes, I forgot that one! I love playing this one.
Probably more fun to play than listen to. Always puts me to sleep. That, along with "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring." smile

Agreed; one pretty well has to stay awake to play them, no? smile

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Thanks for the links! Another source is Angela Hewitt's CD of Bach transcriptions, including many noted here in this thread as well as some of her own.


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