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I currently have a Yamaha p125. I am 2 1/2 years into playing now and I'd like to jump up to the next level. I'd like to stay under $2000 if possible. I love the sound of the P125 but it has limited piano sounds and features. The only thing I would say is the keys are a little slippery sometimes from the finish. I like the feel and the piano sounds but I'd like more features and a "rougher" feel, for lack of a better term.

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The obvious ‘next level’ would be the P-515; IMHO!

You will get better ‘keys/action’, and the sound you already ‘love’ played through better speakers/amps.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
The obvious ‘next level’ would be the P-515; IMHO!

You will get better ‘keys/action’, and the sound you already ‘love’ played through better speakers/amps.

+1

if you want to check other brands, the other keyboard with similar specs and price to the p515 is the kawai es920

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Watching the reviews for the P515. There seems to be a whole bunch out there. Thank you both.

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Hopefully the P-615 is released next month (July) smile

And also compare those to Roland FP-90X.

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What additional "piano sounds" and "features" are you looking for?

The easiest/ cheapest way to add "piano sounds" is to use VST's, running on a computer that you already own.


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My piano has 88 features (or 91 if you count the pedals). I need no others.

When you refer to your piano's "limited piano sounds and features" ... what other features are you looking for?

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Thanks everyone. I'm looking for more power, more inputs, better feel (The P515 has wooden keys I understand?). I have 5 piano straight piano sounds on my P125, 2 of which that sound good to my ear. The other 3 not so much. I guess overall the slick feel of the keys on the P125 is the main reason I'm looking at a new piano. And if I'm going to the trouble and expense I want upgraded features as well.

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Unless it's the actual "key action" you want to improve then have you simply considered VSTs to give you more/better piano sounds using the existing P125 ? At the end of the day pretty much everything about a DP (sounds, recording, rhythm, etc) can be changed /added by routing the MIDI to something that does those externally. The one thing you can't change are the keys themselves - so you only really need to "upgrade" if that's the bit you are not satisfied with. If it is "key action" then the common choice here for a "step up" would appear to be the Kawai VPC-1 - but you then definitely will need to get involved with VST.

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Originally Posted by stevechris
Thanks everyone. I'm looking for more power, more inputs, better feel (The P515 has wooden keys I understand?). I have 5 piano straight piano sounds on my P125, 2 of which that sound good to my ear. The other 3 not so much. I guess overall the slick feel of the keys on the P125 is the main reason I'm looking at a new piano. And if I'm going to the trouble and expense I want upgraded features as well.

If you have access to an iPad, I would try installing some virtual instrument apps and playing them through your P125 first, then take it from there.

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Yamaha P-125 "with features" = Yamaha DGX-670:
- similar key action
- slightly improved piano sounds
- more powerful speakers
- has "features"

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Originally Posted by 1903wrightflyer
If it is "key action" then the common choice here for a "step up" would appear to be the Kawai VPC-1 - but you then definitely will need to get involved with VST.

genuinely unsure how you reach that conclusion? from reading the forums i would've thought the consensus 'step up' from a given entry level slab is one of the higher model slabs, especially given what the OP has said in this case.

so as Pete 14 said originally, from the p125 to the p515 (or perhaps es920 or fp90x). sure there are other possibilities, and the vpc1 is one of them, but the vpc1 is a MIDI controller not a slab piano so seems an odd recommendation in this case rather than 'the common choice'. but sure - it's worth the OP looking into

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Originally Posted by stevechris
I'm looking for [...] more inputs

What would you like to input into a digital piano? In general...

- There's MIDI.
- There's audio.
- There's analog audio cable.
- There's audio over USB.
- There's wireless MIDI (Bluetooth) and wireless audio in with a small delay (Bluetooth).
- There are extra pedals like an "expression pedal".
- There's microphone input for your singing voice, often with some effects available.

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Originally Posted by stevechris
Thanks everyone. I'm looking for more power, more inputs, better feel (The P515 has wooden keys I understand?). I have 5 piano straight piano sounds on my P125, 2 of which that sound good to my ear. The other 3 not so much. I guess overall the slick feel of the keys on the P125 is the main reason I'm looking at a new piano. And if I'm going to the trouble and expense I want upgraded features as well.

Although this is not a reason to look away from the P-515, be aware that "wooden" doesn't mean like the actual grand piano keys. Also the black keys are not wooden. The P-515 is certainly worthy of your consideration and it would be a leap from P125 in terms of features. I wish you well in your research.


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If your dissatisfaction with the P125 centers around the "slick" feel of the keys (I agree with you on that point, btw), then you are probably not going to be happy with the P515 either. Some part of the interior of the key may be wood, but I believe that the surface of the white keys is similar to that found on the P125.

If I'm wrong about that, I'm sure Pete14 will be along any minute now to let us know. smile

You can get an idea of what a piano sounds like by watching videos, and you can learn about their features from spec sheets and feature lists, but when it comes to the feel of the keys... I don't think you can avoid a trip to a store, possibly two or three (as it seems that very few stores nowadays carry all of the various brands, and everyone is out of stock on one or more models you may be interested in.)

If you're looking for a more textured feel than what is on your P125, you should probably try something in Kawai's lineup.


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It has been brought to my attention that a certain someone has been spreading misinformation about the P-515’s keys (surface).

The P-515’s key-surface is superior to the P-125. The P-515 uses synthetic ivory (white keys) and synthetic ebony (black keys) for a porous and non-slippery experience!

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Thanks Pete, I knew I could count on you! smile

My advice on trying them out for yourself still holds, though. One man's "slippery" is another man's "just perfect!"


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Synthetic ivory? Synthetic ebony?
Aren't those what they used to call "plastic"?
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The P-515 uses synthetic ivory (white keys) and synthetic ebony (black keys) for a porous and non-slippery experience!

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Okay, the naming scheme might seem contradictory, but the final result is a more porous and non-slippery surface as compared to the P-125.

Now, SeaDrive is right in pointing out that ‘my porous might be your slippery’, so it would be wise for the OP to try out the P-515. smile

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Did you know ... Here in western Pennsylvania the word is "slippy".
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